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Post subject: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choice?)
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:57 am
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Here's my Fender Frontman 65r amp that goes with my prized '95 Fender Strat, and also my Gretsch 5122 double cut, hollow body w/ Bigsby.

Let me go through the signal chain, since things are a mess on my homemade pedalboard:

FROM GUITAR - going from right to left
--White coily cord into Dunlop wah (very rarely used - and only with my Strat).

EFFECTS LOOP
--Caline delay pedal (A fantastic Chinese made, very inexpensive, delay pedal from Amazon!)
Pedal In -> Effect Out (i.e. Pre-amp Out on Fender)
Pedal Out -> Effect In (i.e. Pwr In on Fender)

CONTINUING GUITAR SIGNAL - going from right to left
--Patch cord from Dunlop wah OUT, up and around delay pedal, and into IN on my custom made BYOC "Classic Overdrive" Pedal that I built from their kit (i.e. "clone" of the famous Ibanez Tube Screamer).
--Black 3' cord from OD pedal OUT to IN (1) on Fender Frontman 65r amp.

MISC
--OEM stock Fender footswitch
--(unplugged/unused) An old BYOC kit (Confidence Boost - first time *ever* building a pedal!) and then mounted into an enclosure. Acts sort of like the old MXR Micro Amp (i.e. clean boost).
--Sitting on top of Fender Frontman... An old 9v battery powered Fender Mini Twin amp. Little thing is hilarious! Works great, sounds great, just plug in a pair of headphones and jam away at 1:00am!

Fender Frontman 65r Settings (for 65 watts, this amp is {expletive} LOUD!!!)
Clean: Volume=2, Treble=5, Bass=6
Gain: Drive=7, Volume=2, Treble=6, Mid=5, Bass=5, Reverb=2½

Note: When my wife is home I turn the guitar master volume down. When nobody's home, nextdoor neighbor isn't home, I let 'er rip!

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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:57 am
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Hey Butch, I am unsure of your question.

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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:27 am
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Sorry...

Do most players use effects loops, or just a standard chain of effects?

I run the delay pedal through the effects loop, because it gets all crazy if I use it in the chain and then hit the footswitch/high gain channel.


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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:17 am
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I think you are using the commonly accepted method.
Delays and other time-based units typically go in the loop.
I don't but I think most do.
I just put everything in front of the amp.
Years ago, I tried the loop and didn't notice enough of a difference to justify the added complexity to my set up and tear down.
Now that my "pedalboard" is a Helix, everything is in front anyway.
I think if I wanted to, I could assign some effects to pass through a loop but I just don't have the desire to spend the time to suss it out.

I am of the opinion that there are no rules for this sort of thing.
Mess around with a few configs and settle on whatever works best for you.

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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:24 am
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Case in point:
I have at times placed a chorus effect before an OD/Dist unit and I have a couple of Helix patches where I do this.
When I step on a button they both switch in at once and in what most would consider the wrong order.
Doing that means I have to use a lot more chorus because the gain stage will obscure most of it at low settings but the benefit is I get the extra thickness and plurality but without the in/out phase thing, the swirly thing.
The gain stage seems to remove that aspect.
I usually only like the swirliness on a clean setting.

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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:06 pm
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Hello Butch, nice gear, cool photo, thank you for posting. Like BMW-KTM all of my pedals go in front of my amps and I do not use the effects loop. Funny thing is that when I had my Marshall stack I didn't use pedals. My question is why is your wah at the beginning of your chain and not at the end?

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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:53 am
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ButchA wrote:
Here's my Fender Frontman 65r amp that goes with my prized '95 Fender Strat, and also my Gretsch 5122 double cut, hollow body w/ Bigsby.

Let me go through the signal chain, since things are a mess on my homemade pedalboard:

FROM GUITAR - going from right to left
--White coily cord into Dunlop wah (very rarely used - and only with my Strat).

EFFECTS LOOP
--Caline delay pedal (A fantastic Chinese made, very inexpensive, delay pedal from Amazon!)
Pedal In -> Effect Out (i.e. Pre-amp Out on Fender)
Pedal Out -> Effect In (i.e. Pwr In on Fender)

CONTINUING GUITAR SIGNAL - going from right to left
--Patch cord from Dunlop wah OUT, up and around delay pedal, and into IN on my custom made BYOC "Classic Overdrive" Pedal that I built from their kit (i.e. "clone" of the famous Ibanez Tube Screamer).
--Black 3' cord from OD pedal OUT to IN (1) on Fender Frontman 65r amp.

MISC
--OEM stock Fender footswitch
--(unplugged/unused) An old BYOC kit (Confidence Boost - first time *ever* building a pedal!) and then mounted into an enclosure. Acts sort of like the old MXR Micro Amp (i.e. clean boost).
--Sitting on top of Fender Frontman... An old 9v battery powered Fender Mini Twin amp. Little thing is hilarious! Works great, sounds great, just plug in a pair of headphones and jam away at 1:00am!

Fender Frontman 65r Settings (for 65 watts, this amp is {expletive} LOUD!!!)
Clean: Volume=2, Treble=5, Bass=6
Gain: Drive=7, Volume=2, Treble=6, Mid=5, Bass=5, Reverb=2½

Note: When my wife is home I turn the guitar master volume down. When nobody's home, nextdoor neighbor isn't home, I let 'er rip!

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Those Frontman amps were really great, from what I remember. I never had one, since bass is my main gig, but I do remember them in other situations, and all of that. Didn't they make a 100 watt one with 2 x 12" speakers, as well?

If I use any effects on my bass, it's usually just a Boss chorus pedal, but I have messed around with other things as well, from time to time.

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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:18 am
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PaulLF wrote:
Those Frontman amps were really great, from what I remember. I never had one, since bass is my main gig, but I do remember them in other situations, and all of that. Didn't they make a 100 watt one with 2 x 12" speakers, as well?

If I use any effects on my bass, it's usually just a Boss chorus pedal, but I have messed around with other things as well, from time to time.

There indeed was a 100 W Frontman. It was a good, affordable solid state amp and it was LOUD!

I currently use an Frontman 25R when I play in church, and it works surprisingly well. It's loud enough to be heard with singers and keyboard (it might not work quite as well if we had drums), is light and easy to carry and it has a pleasant clean tone with a great reverb. It's a shame that this line was discontinued. They were a nice economical option either as a practice amp or as even as a stage amp for certain situations.


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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:58 am
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You know?
I never even thought about this before but now that it has occurred to me I kind of want to know.

What's the deal with Front?
Frontman Amp.
Frontline Magazine.
Is there a deal?
Or just an odd co-inky-dink?

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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:43 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
You know?
I never even thought about this before but now that it has occurred to me I kind of want to know.

What's the deal with Front?
Frontman Amp.
Frontline Magazine.
Is there a deal?
Or just an odd co-inky-dink?


Hmm...never really thought about those names. Someone in Fender Marketing is apparently a fan of alliteration! :)"Frontman" is a bit of an odd an odd name for a guitar amp, when you think about it, since the term usually refers to lead sngers.


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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:25 pm
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Looks real good Butch, reminds me a lot of my setup.

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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:35 pm
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Wow! That is an awesome looking pedalboard, very clean, very nicely arranged! :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:40 pm
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Thanks man, probably not the way most people do it but I like it.


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Post subject: Re: Pedalboards, chains, effects loops... (what's your choic
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:35 pm
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I couldn't afford a Helix, like Matt has, but I just bought this yesterday.

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