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Post subject: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:56 am
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I have been looking at the picture of the Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire and the screws all seem to be cross-head (presumably Phillips). Does anyone know why this should be? I would have thought that slotted heads would be period-correct.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:10 am
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Double Esquire ! :shock: First time I hear that, look it is a Telecaster.
To me it is only a marketing.

I see Philips screw. Period correct ? I don't know

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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:49 am
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The 2-pickup Esquire became the Broadcaster in 1950.

This name didn't last long as Gretsch filed a lawsuit for trademark infringement concerning their Broadkaster drums. Fender removed the Broadcaster decal from the headstock before adopting the Telecaster name - coined by Don Randall - in 1951. These guitars were better known as "Nocasters".

The single-pickup Esquire remained into production until 1969.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:52 pm
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I Googled images for "Fender Broadcaster" and one of the first hits was a Custom Shop "1951 Nocaster" for sale.
Every screw on the guitar (including neck mounting) is a slot screw.
All of the Esquire/Telecaster images that I can find show cross-point.

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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:06 pm
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Slot head would be period correct.
Philips type introduced early 51. :D


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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:18 am
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jimmy_james wrote:
Slot head would be period correct.
Philips type introduced early 51. :D


My point is that I understood that Fender only introduced Philips-head screws in 1953 - before that they used slot-head screws.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:19 am
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I get your point.
It was a gradual process thru to 53 which is why I agreed slot head would be period correct for 50
You'll notice the also has a 'rare' compound radius so I do not think complete authenticity is an issue here
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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:56 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:
You'll notice the also has a 'rare' compound radius so I do not think complete authenticity is an issue here :D

Could be authentic... compound radius meant it was time for Leo to change the sanding belt :D

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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:09 am
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It is a Custom double Esquier,

Custom mean it is not the 100 % original guitar .

Like many new Fender amps ; 68 Custom Deluxe Reverb, 68 Custom Twin Reverb. These amps are not same as the original '68 amps

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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:11 am
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Compound radius necks didn't surface until 2010.


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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:21 am
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stratele52 wrote:
68 Custom Deluxe Reverb, 68 Custom Twin Reverb. These amps are not same as the original '68 amps


They share reverb and tremolo on both channels.

The "Custom" is essentially a modified variant of the Normal channel with a Bassman tone stack for greater flexibility with pedals.

Unlike the originals the power rating remains at 85W for the Twin and 22W for the Deluxe.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:33 am
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Can we come back to the original question - why does the Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire have cross-head screws?

Can anyone from the Custom Shop answer this?


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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:22 pm
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Some of the pics for this guitar I see from vendors have slotted screws some philips ….
10/56 neck shape dont think that was around in 1950 either...
Maybe contacting fender directly would provide the quickest answer :D


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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:28 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:
Maybe contacting fender directly would provide the quickest answer :D

This.
This is a support forum for Fender owners, but there are only a few Fender employees who participate, and IFAIK, only one who is paid to be here, who is actually more an IT person who has a passion for Fender products.

A phone call to customer support with the serial number can answer all of your questions, at least with respect to how it left the factory, though perhaps not why the "incorrect" parts were used.
Likely, given the 10/56 neck, it is more of a tribute than it is a replica.

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Post subject: Re: Vintage Custom 1950 Double Esquire
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:05 am
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CB91710 wrote:
Likely, given the 10/56 neck, it is more of a tribute than it is a replica.


+1

And we've seen anomalies like this in the past with LE CS instruments.

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