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Post subject: Re: Nice bass, nice confidence, or a space/time mind warp?
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:04 pm
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PaulLF wrote:
Yeah, it seems that DJ gear might be more popular than guitars these days, anyhow. I could be wrong, though. It's a lot easier to push some buttons than learn some chords or scales, I suppose. :P

And why pay a band when you have drunk customers ready to take the stage. Cheaper for places to do Karaoke.


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Post subject: Re: Nice bass, nice confidence, or a space/time mind warp?
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:12 am
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Yeah, and often the singing is just as good. :P

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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:47 am
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And then there's the bastard child of live music and DJ: tracks on stage, playing along with the musicians. In Praise & Worship music, typically used for "pads," i.e. atmospherics, or what they used to call "trance." Used frequently when a band can't find a keyboard player, for example. Any instrument, for that matter. Can also be used for lip-sync live, or for post-show track replacement with a better vocal or instrument performance. I'm not really a fan because of the huge overhead involved (IEMs, master clock, console complexity, personnel overhead, training issues, rehearsal time for the sequencing, musician buy-in, cost -- you're basically running a 1-take studio-mixdown environment with live injects on stage in front of 100s or 1,000s of people and if you botch it you look like a total fool).

Technology-wise I see P&W fragmenting into the "tracks" camp and the "no tracks" camp. The former for bands serving a younger audience that's heavy into the show aspect: Hillsong Young & Free, Elevation Worship, and so on. My guess is 10 years from now even bar bands will be running tracks due to the reduced cost and increased ease of use compared to today. Our Precisions will be nothing more than MIDI triggers, we'll be able to access live any sim'd or modeled sound we could ever want, and we will Own It All.

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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:45 pm
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:50 pm
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:00 am
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They'll just mothball me with my reissues and tube amps. :lol:

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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:10 am
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I'd love a guitar playing robot. You don't know how handy that would be, especially for gigs. :P

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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:35 pm
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craig.p wrote:

Technology-wise I see P&W fragmenting into the "tracks" camp and the "no tracks" camp. The former for bands serving a younger audience that's heavy into the show aspect: Hillsong Young & Free, Elevation Worship, and so on. My guess is 10 years from now even bar bands will be running tracks due to the reduced cost and increased ease of use compared to today. Our Precisions will be nothing more than MIDI triggers, we'll be able to access live any sim'd or modeled sound we could ever want, and we will Own It All.

My church would be "tracks" then. They pop in a cd while people play instruments that aren't even turned on. And have a few people singing into mics that I'm pretty sure are turned off too. I had fun playing in the P&W team at old church.


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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:04 am
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They pop in a cd while people play instruments that aren't even turned on. And have a few people singing into mics that I'm pretty sure are turned off too.


Sounds like Captain Geech and the Shrimp Shack Shooters.

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Post subject: Re: Nice bass, nice confidence, or a space/time mind warp?
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:13 pm
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> My church would be "tracks" then. They pop in a cd while people play
> instruments that aren't even turned on. And have a few people singing
> into mics that I'm pretty sure are turned off too.

LOL, that's shameful!

Last church I played for was always talking about moving to a tracks model (Ableton Live, for example, and purchasing artist tracks as needed for a particular service, to take the place of musicians they either couldn't find or couldn't retain).

I can see using something like that for pads, or maybe for a missing rhythm or bass player. But I guess the question would be, how far do you take something like that before it looks like a total joke and people start coming by on Sundays just to get a good laugh because there's only three people on stage but it sounds like Tomlin's full crew at one of those arena-sized Passion events.

Good talent (I mean chops, attitude, and discipline) are almost nonexistent up here, and of those, there's virtually no one who wants to play/sing Christian artist covers. They all want to work in the clubs and get paid. So the churches are really scraping the bottom of the barrel, just barely getting the personnel they need to pull off a service that doesn't sound like a bunch of 14-year olds rehearsing in dad's basement. And sometimes not getting even *that* quality level.

It's a tightrope.

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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:07 pm
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affprod wrote:
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They pop in a cd while people play instruments that aren't even turned on. And have a few people singing into mics that I'm pretty sure are turned off too.


Sounds like Captain Geech and the Shrimp Shack Shooters.


I was thinking Millie-Vanillie! They ask me to "play". I suggested they pick a random number - if 17 then just grab the 17th person to come through the door and sling a guitar around their neck. What gets me is that we have at least 2 people who can play bass, 7 people that I know of who play guitar, and several keyboard players. Don't have room for a drumset but can do without. So why fake it to CD's? Every time they ask me to play I suggest that a group of us get together and practice - they'd rather just pop in a CD.


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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:33 pm
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My Church is going down same path re: tracks. Most of the team is pro caliber so not sure of the benefits of playing to tracks and clicks. We each have our own 16 track controllers to mix the singers/instruments but very hard to dial in a good mix while playing bass.

re: playing a 63 year old bass. Every bass has a story and wonder what stories a 52 bass would tell if it could talk. Born in Fullerton in 1952, perhaps this bass was personally handled by Leo. When your instrument feels right and sounds great it is a lot easier to become inspired. Keep on Groovin Steve!


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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:25 am
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They pop in a cd while people play instruments that aren't even turned on. And have a few people singing into mics that I'm pretty sure are turned off too.


Sounds like Captain Geech and the Shrimp Shack Shooters.


I was thinking Millie-Vanillie! They ask me to "play". I suggested they pick a random number - if 17 then just grab the 17th person to come through the door and sling a guitar around their neck. What gets me is that we have at least 2 people who can play bass, 7 people that I know of who play guitar, and several keyboard players. Don't have room for a drumset but can do without. So why fake it to CD's? Every time they ask me to play I suggest that a group of us get together and practice - they'd rather just pop in a CD.


It's funny how those two got railroaded for lip syncing (one of them even died from an OD, or something like that) back in the day, but now it's common place. You'd say they were pioneers. :P

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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:44 pm
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Another old P-bass layin' it down, gettin' it done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSU9vIzFCzk

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