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Post subject: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:06 pm
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After watching Sting play an entire 2 hour set of sophisticated prog-pop with the Police(2008) with one '54(?) Precision...I realize I still need a Fender. All these years pass, and I'm still carrying the Fender bug with me.

Maybe I'll put a new Fender Standard on layaway, soon. That, or a Squier Classic Vibe 50's Precision.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:09 pm
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I am trying to justify not buying an American Deluxe.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:56 am
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:arrow: Why not buy a 'Sting' bass :?:

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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:31 am
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Might do that...or at least check into one. I don't know much about the original Precision Bass..other than all the one's I've played sounded fantastic. The upper mids tone they have would blend just perfect in a one guitar band..plus they can get boomy as all heck.

I think I liked the Squier CV 50's the most so far. Haven't heard the pine body version, as of yet.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:34 pm
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The new American Vintage '63 Reissue is just a superb expression of the classic split-p'up P, and just like last year's '62 is well worth the price of admission. :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:58 pm
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I'm a huge fan of the first generation P-Basses. Nothing else like them really. For the money the Squier version I played when the first came out was a great buy. Haven't tried one lately though. It really needed nothing.

There is a great deal of tonal difference between a first generation single coil P-Bass and any split coil 2nd generation design P or any single coil Jazz. That includes the Dirnt.

They are unique animals.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:27 pm
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I am trying to justify not buying an American Deluxe.


Get the Am. Dlx., and get it over with. :D

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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:37 pm
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Oh wow. Great thread.

I started on Jazz basses... and I guess you are never supposed to switch, but my primary gigging instrument with my current band is my AV57P. Likely one of the smoothest basses I have played.

Brother Dave is right about the single coil Ps. He and I had that conversation before I had one. My 52P, set with flats, is very, very nice. They repeated that set up with the version one Teles. Tons of conversations about the single coil vs the humbucker.....the single coil is very cool, but my 72 Tele with the fat flats and humbucker is nice too. But, and this takes some crow eating, not as nice as my 52 single coil.

For value I would look for a 3-4 year old American Standard, $550 to $750, and that is a $1300 bass, new.

The American Vintage Series are really nice, but hold their value more since the runs are somewhat limited. Still and AV prior to 64 would be a nice bass. I like the 57-59 when they had a A poles raised... personal opinion.

I disagree about the Squire, unless the money is a necessary part of the equation, I would go straight for the American made Standard, or, the American Vintage series prior to 1964. I know I will catch flack for that as many love their Squires, including one guitar in my band. I just think the MIA basses are still noticeably better. Another personal opinion.

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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:43 pm
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affprod wrote:
Oh wow. Great thread.

I started on Jazz basses... and I guess you are never supposed to switch, but my primary gigging instrument with my current band is my AV57P. Likely one of the smoothest basses I have played.

Brother Dave is right about the single coil Ps. He and I had that conversation before I had one. My 52P, set with flats, is very, very nice. They repeated that set up with the version one Teles. Tons of conversations about the single coil vs the humbucker.....the single coil is very cool, but my 72 Tele with the fat flats and humbucker is nice too. But, and this takes some crow eating, not as nice as my 52 single coil.

For value I would look for a 3-4 year old American Standard, $550 to $750, and that is a $1300 bass, new.

The American Vintage Series are really nice, but hold their value more since the runs are somewhat limited. Still and AV prior to 64 would be a nice bass. I like the 57-59 when they had a A poles raised... personal opinion.

I disagree about the Squire, unless the money is a necessary part of the equation, I would go straight for the American made Standard, or, the American Vintage series prior to 1964. I know I will catch flack for that as many love their Squires, including one guitar in my band. I just think the MIA basses are still noticeably better. Another personal opinion.



I know your real opinion of Squires. :D


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:25 pm
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I wasn't endorsing all Squiers. Just saying that one copy of that one model I played about 4 years ago was a good buy for the money at that time. I played some other Squier models that same day which were totally lame. The Squier fretless Jazz was especially weak toned. Out of a bunch including a Fender Japan Sting, an Aerodyne Jazz, an Aerodyne P-Bass (discontinued), a Fender Japan Jaguar, an active Fender MIM Jazz, a few Ibanez somethings, a Musicman something and a Schecter something it was the Squier CV 50's P-Bass that I would have wanted to take home if I needed a bass that day. The LP Blue 50's CV Squier I tried would make a good player and a good buy for the money. Not sure they are still that good. It reminded me more of a Telecaster Bass than my Fender 51 Reissues do. No kidding on that. But that was a long time ago and things change. Total bargain in an instrument at the time.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:14 am
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I wish the MIM folks would put out a Standard Telecaster Bass.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:09 am
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My FSR Precision is an MIM with SPB-3 upgraded pups, my mystery fretted Jazz is a MIM and my fretless is also a MIM. All three play and sound great. I also am the proud owner of a Squier VM Jazz. It doesn't quite have the guts of a Fender but tweaking your amp makes up for it.

The biggest thing is, try before you buy. there's a bass out there waiting for you.

Good luck!


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:23 am
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I know your real opinion of Squires. :D


True, I am not a fan of Squires, but I know they have built some very good basses over the years. There is a guitar player in my band that would never think of giving up on his, loves it. I have a friend that plays a Squire Jazz and swears by it, although he did upgrade the electronics.

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Just saying that one copy of that one model I played about 4 years ago was a good buy for the money at that time. I played some other Squier models that same day which were totally lame. The Squier fretless Jazz was especially weak toned.


Brother Dave's observations are the reason behind my lack of faith in Squires. You can find a good one. Heck, you can find a great one. But you can find a whole lot of "others" in between. No consistency.

I think Fender bought Squire back in the mid sixties...after CBS. They made strings. I don't think they ever made guitars or basses until Fender started production in Japan in the 80s, but I am not positive about that. I know the move was made to offer a Fender alternative to the low cost imports that were gaining market share. I have an 85 Katana that is fun to pull out just because of its design, but it is a weak bass.

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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:41 pm
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Squire was a string manufacturer that Fender did buy back in the 60's.
Leo Fender had contracted with them to make the first bass strings back in 1951, which in my opinion makes Leo the father of the electric bass.

The Squire Classic Vibe series basses are worth their price. I am not saying that they will top every other bass of their type but they are very good for the player who wants to investigate what a second-gen precision bass sounds like without spending big bucks.

They do a great job on the Jazz bass and the split coil precision bass too.

Time will tell if these basses hold up, but I suspect that they will. Their tuners are a better quality than on most Mexican Fenders and the pickups have the vintage tone!

I own a Sting bass and I bought one of the C.V. blue single coil precisions just for fun.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmiing Need For A P Bass
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:46 pm
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Comments appreciated. I'd like to hear an ash 1st generation Precision..but fretless with a rosewood fingerboard..and B.A. Leo Quan II bridge. Just dreaming for now anyway.

Instead of working towards that fretless mid punch, you'd already have it to begin with.


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