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Post subject: Name scratched into finish of a '62 P
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:54 pm
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I'm looking at buying an all original '62 P-bass for $5,500.00. The sunburst finish is nicely worn on the front and there's quite a bit of buckle rash on the back of the body. A name has been scratched into the finish on the back of the body. I'm wondering how much the name scratch would affect the re-sale value of the bass. Any thoughts would be appreciated.


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Post subject: Re: Name scratched into finish of a '62 P
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:17 pm
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Post subject: Re: Name scratched into finish of a '62 P
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:38 pm
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Owner applied marks that are not hidden usually take condition down a whole grade. Mt to Ex, Ex to Gd, etc. However if there is already a lot of buckle rash near the owner applied mark it probably won't matter a whole grade. Hard to say without seeing it. The price about right for an all original fair to good condition 62 P-Bass. There are several around right now and they all cost more but they are in better shape. If truly all original I might could overlook that mark for that price.


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Post subject: Re: Name scratched into finish of a '62 P
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:17 pm
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Owner applied marks that are not hidden usually take condition down a whole grade. Mt to Ex, Ex to Gd, etc. However if there is already a lot of buckle rash near the owner applied mark it probably won't matter a whole grade. Hard to say without seeing it. The price about right for an all original fair to good condition 62 P-Bass. There are several around right now and they all cost more but they are in better shape. If truly all original I might could overlook that mark for that price.


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I am resisting the urge to pontificate, but understand a pre CBS 62 is always going to have value, and a sunburst in fair condition will always be at the low end of that value. Still, I think it is a safe purchase. Okay, I almost resisted...I just slipped a little.

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Post subject: Re: Name scratched into finish of a '62 P
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:09 am
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Just to clarify - Is this through a retail shop, on line or from and individual locally?

I ask things like this just to make certain that the ultimate owner will not be receiving a stolen item. If just a name is present and no factory markings or serial number has been altered, y'all are probably safe. If it is from an individual or on-line and you have the serial number available to you, have your local Sheriff's Forensic personnel run that serial through NCIC just to be safe.


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Post subject: Re: Name scratched into finish of a '62 P
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:31 pm
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Maybe it's the lost Jaco bass. The one where he scratched his name on the back of it. Nice :D


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Post subject: Re: Name scratched into finish of a '62 P
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:28 am
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PaducahLuke wrote:
Just to clarify - Is this through a retail shop, on line or from and individual locally?

I ask things like this just to make certain that the ultimate owner will not be receiving a stolen item. If just a name is present and no factory markings or serial number has been altered, y'all are probably safe. If it is from an individual or on-line and you have the serial number available to you, have your local Sheriff's Forensic personnel run that serial through NCIC just to be safe.


That in fact is a good idea on ANY used instrument no matter where you buy it.

Some important points about having the serial checked by law enforcement in the USA or Canada.

1. Different law enforcement agencies in different jurisdictions will have different policies on checking serial numbers on articles. Instruments, amps and gear in general are classified as articles. Many police agencies may have a policy specifying that they want the article in hand before running the serial on it. In other words, they may not run the serial sight unseen based on a photo or email. At most agencies a sworn officer has to request the inquiry be made. The database inquiry is performed by an NCIC certified terminal operator. (I am an NCIC certified terminal operator.) Any sworn officer can request a terminal operator perform the inquiry. This sort of thing is never done for a citizen on the phone because if you are a criminal with a stolen article that you wish to sell you naturally want to know if it is "hot" before selling it, so you call the police and ask. When doing it by phone they can not seize an article entered as stolen since they don't have it in hand or in sight. That is why it is not happening on the phone.

2. If the officer does have it in hand and if it is entered NCIC as a stolen article it will be seized by the officer to return to the agency that entered the stolen article record so the entering agency can notify the owner to pick it up or arrange for shipping. Since you volunteered the item to be checked you probably will not be charged with possession of a stolen item, however having a bill of sale is nice to have to avoid legal entanglements. This seizure of an entered stolen article will happen even if you have a bill of sale.

3. Even if an article is not entered NCIC Hotfiles that does not mean it is for certain not a stolen article for two reasons. Many owner/victims do not have a record of the serial number and secondly even if they have the serial and it is entered NCIC the entry EXPIRES in 12 months plus month of entry on articles. (Missing/wanted persons, vehicles, vehicle parts and firearms are unique in that those NCIC Hotfile entries never expire until the entering agency removes them.) So an entry of a stolen article made January 10th of one year expires at midnight January 31st of the following year and the entry is automatically expunged from the NCIC database. And no, it can not be re-entered after it expires. So there being no NCIC hotfile entry is not an ironclad guarantee it isn't stolen. It just means it isn't entered as a stolen article. It could be stolen but wasn't entered because the victim didn't have the serial or it was stolen more than 13 months ago.

It is super important to keep track of your serials. Not just on instruments and gear but everything else that has a serial too. I've got a special page on how to protect your gear and other items here: http://brotherdave.com/add_protectyourgear.htm

Around where I live the most stolen item that people have serials for are firearms, not music gear. I'm constantly amazed at how many people just don't keep a serial record of the most often stolen items like giant HDTV's, expensive Swiss watches, Blu-Ray players and video game consoles. We want to enter stolen articles in NCIC and we want you to get your stuff back. So keep a serial record. Without one, you've really got no chance at all of ever getting your stuff back.


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