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Post subject: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:39 am
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Hi there, first post.

I'd like to know if this is a real one. I've seen others but the headstock and the metal thing (bolt?) that joins the neck to the body are a bit suspicious.

The DFS on the headstock says it's a 66-67 fender. IDK...

https://copy.com/83pKYNQT9gWkJaS4

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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:06 am
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It looks pretty good,........where's the serial number? also if you take the neck off there will a stamped date on the on the neck where it's bolted on & on the body,..... that being said the Bass that you have has the 1950's era silver Fender "Spaghetti" logo,...... most Fender's around 1966 had what's known as the Transition logo on the head stock.....check out this link : http://www.fender.com/news/what-are-spa ... ion-logos/
however it is still possible that some P- Basses (a few of them) had the Spaghetti logo at this time.......getting the serial number & seeing the stamped dated will tell us more,....


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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:20 pm
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That would be great!

I thought the DFS number next to the pat. number on the headstock under the logo was in fact the serial number as I don't see any other number. Also, it coincides with the number of digits and such.

Unfortunately, it is from a friend of mine so I can't disassemble it yet to make sure.

You're right though, it is different from the classic 60's I 've seen around but who knows.

This is what I found out, given the DFS is indeed the serial number:

"Guitar Info
Your guitar was made at the
Fullerton Plant (Fender - CBS Era), USA
in the Year(s): 1966 - 1967

Fender: Fullerton

The Fullerton factory opened in 1946, Fullerton California with the first major electric solid body guitar production began in 1950 with the Broadcaster (later known as the Telecaster). Sold in 1965 to CBS who in 1985 sold Fender to a group of private investors the plant was not included in that sale and was subsequently closed."

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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:08 pm
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at first look at those pictures I'd say there is a good chance that it is not legit. The tuners aren't right-- the logo isn't right and the body looks a bit "different"- or too new or cut different. Need more better picks


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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:33 pm
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I agree, I'll try to take better pics.

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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:29 pm
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Great! Looking forward to more, clear photos.

Please keep in mind, the only way to be ALMOST sure of the age, authenticity and value is to disassemble the bass or take it to a pro. An authentic 66-67 Sunburst P in excellent condition w/ohsc would be a nice piece, with a retail value in the mid $4Ks. You question its authenticity, let's find out.

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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:35 am
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Enlarged the photos.

There is no serial number on this instrument. All Fender instruments have serials. Therefore it is NOT a Fender.

The serial on a 66/67 would be on the neck plate. It isn't there. Therefore it isn't a 66-67 Fender. It might be a parts bass, it might be a Japanese copy with a fake decal or a real Fender Japan instrument with the serial removed, but it is not a Fender without a serial number.

You would have to take this apart to look for hallmarks. I'm guessing parts bass. Maybe Japanese.


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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:48 am
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One question, what is a "DFS" on the headstock?


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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:09 am
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brotherdave wrote:
One question, what is a "DFS" on the headstock?

Good Question Dave, .......I was wondering the same thing. ....


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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:19 am
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On the back on the mid line about 2 inches from the edge where the end strap button is located, what is that white thing that looks about the size of a thumbtack?

The tuners look Japanese. Nice stainless Japanese tuners.


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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:51 am
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Patent numbers are not serial numbers. This decal has the 3 patent numbers but no serial. The serial number should be on the neck plate with this decal on a 2nd generation P-Bass, not on the decal. If that white thing on the back is a plug in a route hole it is not a Fender body.

Fender serial numbers say "SERIAL NUMBER" then the number comes. The number you are counting as a serial is a patent number. Meaningless since the decal is not original to the neck. Even the Japanese Reissues had the serial number on them.

One more thing. With this decal on a Fender USA P-Bass there was always a strap button on the back of the headstock. These basses had 3 strap buttons! There isn't even a hole where one was removed on this one. Highly suspect as a total fake.


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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:05 pm
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Well I guess I have to grasp the initial thought that it might be a fake. I was intrigued nonetheless. He was going to sell it to me for $500. I was also toying with the idea of founding a rare fender :lol:

That DFS number is intiguing too as it coincides in number of digits with the serial number of the 66-67 fenders :? but yeah, I haven't seen anything like that before.

Anyway, some more pics:

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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:14 pm
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wow that was large, sorry I don't know how to properly resize them :(

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Post subject: Re: Is this a legit 66-67 precision?
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:37 pm
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Repeating this question. What is a DFS number? All I see are the three Fender patent numbers that appear on many Fender decals.

Looked again and found that the truss rod nut at the base of the neck which is accessed through a slot in the pickguard is extremely non-Fender. Also the access slot is rectangular which is also very non-Fender.

I can say with confidence this is not a Fender instrument. It is a Japanese knockoff with a Fender decal. Not sure if it started out as a Tokai or not, but I'm suspecting it is perhaps a Tokai due the finishing of the neck being of a quality known to be found in them.

I'm 100% certain it is not a Fender. It might be worth 4 or 500 to a Tokai collector if it had the Tokai decal and serial. But as a Fender it is worth nothing since it isn't a Fender.

Someone put a Fender decal on it and a plain neckplate. I'm suspecting it was a Tokai with "Made In Japan" and a Tokai serial on the original neckplate and a generic neckplate was put on it when the decal was forged.

What this was before the counterfeiting I'm not really sure, but it is not now, nor was it ever, a Fender. If the person selling this is representing it as genuine Fender then do not walk, but instead RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN.


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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:14 pm
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Thanks Brother Dave. Well said.

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