It is currently Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:25 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 
Author Message
Post subject: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?!?!?
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:07 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:59 pm
Posts: 6
I bought a Fender Precision bass and do not know if this is a copy or the original Fender P ... Sound is excellent, the guitar works well in combination with a Trace Elliot amplifier but when I type Serial number CA 11705 I get the guitar strat gold 1981-1983'm confused ... Help me ... :) ??? :shock:


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:28 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:59 pm
Posts: 6
Image

These is the pictures ....

Image


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:18 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:19 pm
Posts: 1480
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
I tried to look up the serial number on your bass & it doesn't compute,.........I have a book with all Fender bass serial numbers from 1951 to 2008 & there's no serieal number that starts with the letters CA ...... the black Fender logo sticker kinda looks fishy too, .......it may be a fake.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:28 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:19 pm
Posts: 1480
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
Even when I check your serial here at this Fender link.http://www.fender.com/support/articles/ ... uct-dating it comes up as a Gold Stratocaster 1981,1982, & 1983 . probably a fake.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:39 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:59 pm
Posts: 6
A very strange ... guitar really sounds good, is a little old .. but has a very good tone ... I tried one original Fender p 1991 years and this guitar sounds even better :roll: .... there are more natural sound ... all in all, thanks to the opinion of James! :wink:


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:26 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:12 pm
Posts: 6355
Location: Albemarle, NC
That is a Gold Strat serial format used 1981, 82 and 83. Very odd to see it on a bass. If I was going to the trouble to fake a decal I'd at least pick a valid serial for a production bass and not a limited run 6 string guitar model. This forger did not.

There are other hallmarks to check besides the serial and they may in fact be there, but probably not on the neck. Take it to an expert and get an in person appraisal or get an online appraisal. Hidden stampings and the electronics may shed some light on it and give insight into why the serial is that way. I would not have been surprised at all to find that this was made in 81 if it was not so obviously a fake decal. It may actually be a parts bass and the neck is definitely iffy as Fender at this point without more data.

I say it is a fake decal because the solid black FENDER logo was not used after the 1981 model year. The fonts are all wrong including the FENDER part which is way too fat and should be skinnier. Every other font is wrong also. The MADE IN USA is in a very wrong location and should start between the S & I ending between the O & N in "Precision." The PRECISION BASS should taper almost to an italic font when it gets to the BASS part but it doesn't. There should be a trademark registered symbol of a small "r" in a circle superscripted after BASS and there isn't. Decal is certainly a counterfeit which calls everything else into question.

For goodness sakes someone needs to learn how to setup a bass also. Pitiful.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:02 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:19 pm
Posts: 1480
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
charge82 wrote:
A very strange ... guitar really sounds good, is a little old .. but has a very good tone ... I tried one original Fender p 1991 years and this guitar sounds even better :roll: .... there are more natural sound ... all in all, thanks to the opinion of James! :wink:

You're welcome, & you also have an expert opinion in Brother Dave's reply ....... Next you'll have to unbolt the neck from the body, to see if there's any stamped dates or other markings on the body or heel of the neck...& then get it strung up properly...


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:22 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:59 pm
Posts: 6
I will remove the neck and I'll look if there's any tag and I'll let you know so we both can see what is going on :? ... I'll take it to someone more qualified to take off its neck...mainly this guitar was purchased 15 years ago from Germany ... Used ... the back has a metal plate on which the Fender character and this same number as on the head ...
Brotherdave thanks for your opinion! :wink:


Last edited by charge82 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:50 am, edited 2 times in total.

Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:12 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:12 pm
Posts: 6355
Location: Albemarle, NC
Didn't know this was in Europe. Export instruments often use a different serial format which might explain the oddball serial format, but this decal is so far off from normal USA issues that it is at least highly suspect even on an export model. The hidden hallmark markings will be the same.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:25 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:58 pm
Posts: 1051
Location: SW Florida
Not to be redundant, but the only reason for a fraudulent decal is to make the bass appear to be something it is not.

The picture is fuzzy, but this is what I THINK based on those pictures.

The fretboard and headstock to not appear to be properly finished. The headstock shows wear that indicates some age, but the finish, if present, hasn't aged accordingly. Now this one is a guess, but the frets look like jumbos, which would be non standard.

The body appears to have been poorly finished/refinished. It is almost certainly not a Fender factory finish. The execution does not show typical Fender conformity.

The pickguard, now this is interesting to me, appears to be a very nice vintage piece and actually quite colletable. To confirm that would require very nice pictures, up close, top and underside. If it turns out to be a knockoff, it is still a cool pickguard. It is a mystery to me why this pickguard would be on this bass.

As mentioned above, if you want to confirm what you have or don't have, removing the neck is the next stop, followed by an inspection of the electronics. Just because of the pickguard, I think it might be worthwhile to take these steps.

The upside is you like the tone of the bass. I would just remove the decal and enjoy it.

Take a minute and visit YouTube. Type "setting up a bass guitar" in the search box. You will find several videos that will take you through the process of preparing your bass for playing. Elixer has a 4 part video but there are several very acceptable videos there.

_________________
Collector of vintage Fender 4 string basses.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:04 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician

Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:01 am
Posts: 2842
string retainer doesn't look like it's in the right spot. Sunburst finish is not right etc etc

frets are very fat- maybe a refret? But even if it's not a real Fender and it plays and sounds good that's okay---the bad thing is if the person selling it sells it with a Fender price on it.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:28 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:59 pm
Posts: 6
i paid this guitar $300 and the man that was selling it told me he's not sure if it's the real fender. i tried it and i liked the sound of it , and it is so easy to play on it. i have to invest some money to improve it but all in all i'm content. it sounds really great in a combination with Trace Elliot, the old punk rock sound that i like 8)


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:53 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:59 pm
Posts: 6
Image

These is the sign on the back of bass !!


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Fender Bass Precision CA 11705 u.s.a copy or original !?
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:58 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:12 pm
Posts: 6355
Location: Albemarle, NC
That neckplate is available for sale and any engraver can put a serial on it. I do know that Fender serials were usually either on the neckplate or on the headstock, but not both places. This is very very odd. I have to admit that I have never actually gone over a USA made export Fender bass but I do know that the serials are usually in a different format on vintage Fenders made for export due the warranty being different.


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: