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Post subject: NATE MENDEL ARTIST MODEL FENDER P-BASS! NO KIDDING!
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:25 pm
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On the Foo Fighters website there is a page that says this fall there will be a Nate Mendel Artist Series Fender P-Bass. That would mean Candy Apple Red with black pickguard, Leo Quan BAII bridge, but the rest pretty much stock 1971. He has one real 1971 P-Bass like that. And he also has a few Custom Shop recreations of it for touring.

His other stuff isn't Fender. Lakland and Gibson basses, Ashdown amps.

That's all I know about it. It is a good looking instrument and the color scheme appeals to University of Georgia fans.


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Post subject: Re: NATE MENDEL ARTIST MODEL FENDER P-BASS! NO KIDDING!
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:40 am
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Are you sure? Fender has no official announcement for this model!


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Post subject: Re: NATE MENDEL ARTIST MODEL FENDER P-BASS! NO KIDDING!
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:43 am
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Okay-


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Post subject: Re: NATE MENDEL ARTIST MODEL FENDER P-BASS! NO KIDDING!
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:25 am
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See:

http://www.foofighters.com/us/news/nate-and-chris-announce-fender-signature-models-want


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Post subject: Re: NATE MENDEL ARTIST MODEL FENDER P-BASS! NO KIDDING!
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:28 pm
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So it's a Precision Bass model that's nearly the same as a modified, vintage Fender CBS instrument. Is there a special preamp under the hood? Please, what makes this upcoming model any different? Well, you do get a weird color combo.

Maybe they just want to use up all the Leo Quan BA bridges they bought.


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Post subject: Re: NATE MENDEL ARTIST MODEL FENDER P-BASS! NO KIDDING!
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:43 pm
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Okay-- if you would have not said the Foo Fighters I wouldn't have been able to tell you who Nate Mendell was -- that shows you just how dumb I am. I still think Farn Bottomstich should have a signature bass by Fender or maybe Gates Harngrove.


*** Oh I forgot to mention- Squelch Sniffner and Marty Hatchetdance. Oh yea also Stanze Glookenwald and Berry Fairycherry. OKAY I'm done-- sorry.....



*** note- sorry I'm just not a big fan of signature basses. I think anyone is allowed to like them if they wish- that's not a big deal. It's just that so much of the sound of a guy who has his own signature instrument is his own- thus the "signature" aspect of it. You are never going to sound like the guy who's bass you buy with his signature on it. It's like they use the selling point to infer that you can have the signature sound too. When I play a signature bass it sounds like any ole' bass of the same make and style. Well it sounds like me playing any ole' bass. That's all- nothing but my viewpoint and logic which is my own . Hope I don't sound like "Bass Nazi".



As usual, you are the voice of reason in a malstream of divining chaos! I think you should be hired by Fender to discern who should get a signature bass.

STROKER VANCE BASS NAZI!

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Post subject: Re: NATE MENDEL ARTIST MODEL FENDER P-BASS! NO KIDDING!
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:30 am
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Signature Basses and artist endorsements in most cases have little to do with talent, or merit. The exceptions are usually posthumous offerings. Guitars not so much, but with basses this is usually the case. It's business, pure and simple. These deals and models represent a mutual agreement by the artist to lend their name to help Fender sell instruments, and Fender to lend their products and services to the artist for their use.

Personally, I don't give a crap who's name is on the headstock, if any. I buy basses on their tone, features, and quality. There are two artist basses out right now I'd like to own. The Sting, and the Steve Harris. While I enjoy them both as bassists, I also appreciate Geddy Lee's playing. Yet as I don't like J basses for how they sit in a mix, nor do I like tiny necks. So I have no interest in his Signature Jazz Bass. I love Dusty Hill's playing yet I've no interest in a bass with a modern neck radius. If I wanted to spend that kind of money on a bass I'd have a team built CS made to the specs I want to give me my own "Signature" Bass.

I've never listened to the Foo's and thought, "Wow, that guy's bass tone is KILLER!". Does that mean anything in regards to his getting a sig bass, or wether the bass itself is good? Nope. Just that I don't really notice the tone he's obviously shooting for. So unless I stumble across one in a store I'm not likely to seek his bass out. Unless of course I notice it one the site and see it has a specific set of features that I simply can't find anywhere else that I've been wanting.

There are so many great bassists who have played P basses that will never get a signature bass why waste time groaning over who does?

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Post subject: Re: NATE MENDEL ARTIST MODEL FENDER P-BASS! NO KIDDING!
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:13 am
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I don't pay much attention to who get's a signature bass. The thing that I notice is when they come out with one and I don't know who the person is - then I go "oh okay then, so what's next"? Ya' know? I respond mostly to get good conversation going on here because sometimes things get pretty dull--- in the Summer. It kind of works and I'm enjoying reading new topics and responses-- aren't you? At least things are interesting even when people go a little hyper.

The Foo Fight---- It seems like allot of the newer music I hear on my small radios ( sorry I don't go total soundtronics on it) there is hardly a sign that there is even a bass to be heard. Maybe not so much the Foo but just check it out when listening to the "young guy" modern rock. The most bass is coming from the "band pass" sound of the 7 string guitars etc. So the bass seems blended in with that. Maybe if they would pan the bass a little bit left or right one could hear it in the mix. BUT we know that ain't gonna' happen. I suggested to more than a couple soundmen here in anti-soundman land the idea of panning to improve the sonic experience but of course they recieved my comments blankly. I like bands like Yes who can mix and you can listen to the mix on a 2" speaker and still hear Chris Squier - ***Yes is just one example.....So we know bass can be made to be heard and not over bearing . Maybe bass is just becoming only important in live music ---- I know there are other examples to bring reference to bass presence in modern music but the music of Foo and other similar bands has buried the bass in the mix for the most part. If you want bass go watch a live band. To explain further -- when I hear that Joe Schmoe has a signature bass coming out and he plays in a band where you don't hear the bass much AND I have no idea of who Joe Schmoe is (my fault) I just kind of go "WTF". All disclaimers go here>>>>>>>> :D :D :D :D


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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:32 am
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stroker vance wrote:
I don't pay much attention to who get's a signature bass. The thing that I notice is when they come out with one and I don't know who the person is - then I go "oh okay then, so what's next"? Ya' know? I respond mostly to get good conversation going on here because sometimes things get pretty dull--- in the Summer. It kind of works and I'm enjoying reading new topics and responses-- aren't you? At least things are interesting even when people go a little hyper.

The Foo Fight---- It seems like allot of the newer music I hear on my small radios ( sorry I don't go total soundtronics on it) there is hardly a sign that there is even a bass to be heard. Maybe not so much the Foo but just check it out when listening to the "young guy" modern rock. The most bass is coming from the "band pass" sound of the 7 string guitars etc. So the bass seems blended in with that. Maybe if they would pan the bass a little bit left or right one could hear it in the mix. BUT we know that ain't gonna' happen. I suggested to more than a couple soundmen here in anti-soundman land the idea of panning to improve the sonic experience but of course they recieved my comments blankly. I like bands like Yes who can mix and you can listen to the mix on a 2" speaker and still hear Chris Squier - ***Yes is just one example.....So we know bass can be made to be heard and not over bearing . Maybe bass is just becoming only important in live music ---- I know there are other examples to bring reference to bass presence in modern music but the music of Foo and other similar bands has buried the bass in the mix for the most part. If you want bass go watch a live band. To explain further -- when I hear that Joe Schmoe has a signature bass coming out and he plays in a band where you don't hear the bass much AND I have no idea of who Joe Schmoe is (my fault) I just kind of go "WTF". All disclaimers go here>>>>>>>> :D :D :D :D



To be fair, most, especially the "nu-metal" crowd view the bass as simply a low tuned guitar and is really only there to make the "riff heavy". Most music that I end up listening to in passing really has very little "work" done on the bass.

Not saying that it's all straight chugging root note punk (which has it's place). Just that even in arrangements where there is space it's not utilized very often or effectively, imo. Most of what I've seen of "modern rock" bassists are either minimalist lines showing little to no effort to flesh out chord voicing, ease transitions, or mark passages or to provide a good pocket. Or the opposite who come from the "Flea" school of bass playing and simply wank over everything they play forcing others into what they are doing. Killing most of the arrangement and locking the other instruments into very tightly defined spaces.

That's not to say that these bassists can't play more. Some may be very talented players. It's just simply that the sound their band is chasing requires the bass not be to forward. Much of that also has to do with the singer. If you have someone who really can't sing very much at all. Having your rhythm section playing cowboy chords and your bass moving a lot will just point out how much they CAN'T sing. Where as tightening it down to distorted power chords and root notes leaves the voicings ambiguous enough to leave them room to move to "improper" notes.

In the end, the best bassists are the ones who play what the songs, and their band requires. Atleast, in my experience.

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:39 am
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Regarding artist models, most (if not all) are foreign, not that that's a bad thing. I could never understand why there never was an American made artist bass, made to the real specs of the signature artist. I mean in all entirety, not just a pretty imitation.

An example of my thought, the Duck Dunn artist model wasn't al that great.

If there is an American artist Precision in the future, it should be Frankenstein, and a ccompletely correct '62, just like James Jamerson. Except that the neck can't be warped.


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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:39 pm
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Regarding artist models, most (if not all) are foreign, not that that's a bad thing. I could never understand why there never was an American made artist bass, made to the real specs of the signature artist. I mean in all entirety, not just a pretty imitation.

An example of my thought, the Duck Dunn artist model wasn't al that great.

If there is an American artist Precision in the future, it should be Frankenstein, and a ccompletely correct '62, just like James Jamerson. Except that the neck can't be warped.



I think the reason we may not see a Jamerson bass is because you can pretty much get that with the AVS 62RI. That's my only guess. Didn't they do a Jamerson model back waaaayyyy back? Like an early CS model? Isn't that what became the 62RI AVS P Bass? Granted you'd need to set it up with a set of flats and high action, but that's really what the RI is. Unless I'm mistaken...

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:35 pm
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Pretty much. My ideal would be one exactly like the original. Covers attached, the whole nine yards, all American. i guess I'm just sentimental. :D


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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:55 pm
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oxfan wrote:
Pretty much. My ideal would be one exactly like the original. Covers attached, the whole nine yards, all American. i guess I'm just sentimental. :D




nah, you just have taste. Nothing wrong with that. :wink:

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:28 pm
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I think it's awesome Nate got a signature model. (Not sure I would get one because I prefer my P's with maple). Maybe it will inspire some young kids to pick up a bass and rock out. If you haven't noticed rock and roll seems to be a dying art form. Name a few young bands. We all here seem to be of an earlier vintage. Popular music these days seems to be more hip hop, rap, and over-produced pop. The Foo Fighters are honestly carrying the torch of rock these days - 5 guys playing rock and roll without tricks, processors or computers. And Nate has been holding down the bottom for them competently for 15 years. Not flashy, but doing what he should to support the songs. I think that deserves recognition. If you're not into signature models, don't buy one.


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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:23 pm
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I also saw the announcement of Nate's Signature P Bass coming out this Fall on The Foo fighters web site...& Like Brother Dave I thought Wow! a '71 Candy Apple P bass with a BassAss bridge, black pick guard & rosewood fret board......Cool!! I for one can't wait to take one for a spin :) They're most probably going to be made in Mexico.

I also think people have to get over having issue with regard to playing or owning signature models because they have a signature on the headstock........in my opinion a good bass is a good bass ...if I pick it up, play it & it sounds good & plays great then it's a keeper regardless if it's a signature model or not... :)


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