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Post subject: Precision Bass Vs Rickembacker
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:57 pm
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Hey

this is my first topic so be gentle

i'm really thinking of getting myself a bass with a really low tone, but also mid-range richness
i know the precision has it, but does it beat a mythical Rickembacker for my type of sonority?

i play mostly metal (death, industrial) but i can't dissociate my "metal" playing from my other main influences like tool, kyuss or alice in chains
i play with my fingers and sometimes a pick and i usually tend to use lower tunings

money's not an issue
where to buy is

thanks for any highlights!
cheers


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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:55 pm
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I'd say the only place a Ric can really outdo a P is in treble punch. If you're not overly worried about your highs really cutting through and pumping then I'd say a Ric might not be the best bet. There are alot of other options besides a straight P bass that might be a bit better suited for what you may be looking for... from Fender here are a few....


http://fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0138100306

http://fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0194060720

http://fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0130095306

Of the three, the American Deluxe P is the most versatile. They have all the extras, very nice fit and finish.

I had a Big Block P and it is extremely aggressive, yet refined at the same time. The 18V pre-amp circuit gives you tons of balls and the coil tap gives you a couple of different vibes. Also the two band Bass/treble boost/cut mean you can get those punchy glassy highs like a Ric still. Of the three this is my recommendation.

The Bello is nice if you don't dig active, has big sound, and great features like STB, the really nice pups. Plus it looks hella cool.

Good luck, man.


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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:10 am
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Hello There !
well ... I have both a '62 P-bass and e nearly new Rick4003 .
I use the Rick more for recent music like eg Coldplay, REM ... and the P for more 'oldies' stuff , R&R, Shadows, CCR and so ....
I must say the Rick goes somewhat 'deeper' then the P. The Rick sounds of course very good for Beatles stuff ( neck-PU ). I think the Rick is MORE versatile with its 2 pU's, you can more vary the sound than with the P. Although I put a serial : parrallel swich for the splitted P-bass PU which gives me a more 'solid' sound in the parrallel position ... better sound for rock ! Onfortunately I need an URGENT refret for my P ; I had to higher the strings a bit to avoid buzz , otehrwise the neck of the P plays just FINE. I Think however there are very little bassgitars that plays so easaly and smooth than a Rick ! but you have to work on them ex factory . So I am quite satisfied with both of them, but they are in fact completely different ! Must say that in the seventies I ever bought a brandnew P-bass and it was just CRAP ! Nowadays I feel they are just fine again ...
A last thing ; I think a P-bass will sound just fine on most of good amplifiers , certainly on fender amps, but to get a good and deep sound with a Rick you also need an excellent amp ( Ampeg eg. ) That is MY experience . I use an older Paevey amp with an 18" + 2 x 10" cabinet and that sounds real great ....
A lot of success with yr bass-playing !
Piet from belgium.


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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:21 am
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i tried a rickenbacker. they lk beautiful, but as for the sound, i was most unimpressed. they sound like tin cans especially on the jam soundtracks. no bass wotsoever. the cover on the horseshoe pickup is also hideous. PRECISONS ALL THE WAY


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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:34 am
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OK, here's what we've learned from this thread so far:

"the Rick goes somewhat 'deeper' then the P" and Rics have "no bass wotsoever".


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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:08 pm
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LeftyBass wrote:
OK, here's what we've learned from this thread so far:

"the Rick goes somewhat 'deeper' then the P" and Rics have "no bass wotsoever".


That's how you can tell this forum is off to a great start.


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Post subject: Ricky VS Fender
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:35 pm
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The difference in tone between a Ricky and P is basically pickup placement, but not completely.

With a Ricky you have a treble pickup in about the same place as a P bass. Then you have a neck pickup very close to the neck. This neck pickup position is not found in most basses. Modern basses have moved the neck pickup much closer to the bridge pickup.

BUT...With a Ricky, you have to consider TWO different treble pickup tones. The originals ran the treble pickup through a .0047uF cap, which lowered volume and stripped away the low end. HERE is the famous Ricky treble. The neck pickup is full range, and can be switched in to restore low end, but it does so in a way unlike most basses.

Later Ricky's left this high pass filter cap out of the circuit, so the treble pickup is much more P bass sounding. The current Ricky's switch this cap in and out with a push pull pot, for "vintage" or "modern" voicing.

A fun project bass would be to take a P type bass, and route the neck position out for say a Jazz Bass pickup...close to the neck. A noiseless type would be recommended.

The a .0047uF cap could be added in series with the P pickup, but put that on a push/pull switch or a small toggle, because for most playing, you won't really like the loss of volume or low end.

There you'd have your Ricky tones.

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Steve Dallman
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