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Post subject: Brad and oxfan????
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:48 pm
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I saw in the special NICP thread that Bread wanted to "talk" to pennywise.What is this all about???

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Post subject: Re: Brad and oxfan????
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:13 pm
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he probably won some contest...that's how Brad tried contacting me a few yrs a go when I won the GDEC 30 contest.

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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:26 pm
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Right, but he locked the thread...

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Post subject: Re: Brad and oxfan????
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:06 am
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I retract my earlier question on the thread mentioned,I see its the N.I.C.P. one that Ox had started,I believe I have a good idea what this is about and it should'nt be too hard to figure out,lets what it out and see what transpires shall we :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Brad and oxfan????
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:19 am
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The clown stuff has really jumped the shark and is getting tired. I've stopped checking in here very often because of it. I used to come here to see what BrotherDave and other P-bass experts were up to. The dating threads were always full of useful info.

Now every thread gets distracted with annoying clown talk, and choked with inappropriate signature lines and distracting pics.

I read "IT" when it was new, and lived near Bangor for awhile. I get it. But take it somewhere else and let the bass forum be a bass forum.

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Post subject: Re: Brad and oxfan????
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:31 pm
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LawDaddy wrote:
The clown stuff has really jumped the shark and is getting tired. I've stopped checking in here very often because of it. I used to come here to see what BrotherDave and other P-bass experts were up to. The dating threads were always full of useful info.

Now every thread gets distracted with annoying clown talk, and choked with inappropriate signature lines and distracting pics.

I read "IT" when it was new, and lived near Bangor for awhile. I get it. But take it somewhere else and let the bass forum be a bass forum.

/rant_off


Yes, the above is actually a really good synopsis of the reasons I've contacted oxfan. From my basic understanding of the concept it's all good and well intended fun and there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it but at the same time it's reached the point where it's really starting to alienate some folks around here. That plus the fact that it was kinda all done without really asking for permission in any way, plus the fact that some of the signatures are really cryptic and are being interpreted by some as being political in nature, plus to newcomers the fact that there's no real explanation of what's going on ... anyway, I haven't drawn any firm conclusions yet but there are lots of angles to think about here.

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Post subject: Re: Brad and oxfan????
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:48 pm
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LawDaddy wrote:
The clown stuff has really jumped the shark...


Yes, the above is actually a really good synopsis of the reasons I've contacted oxfan. From my basic understanding of the concept it's all good and well intended fun and there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it but at the same time it's reached the point where it's really starting to alienate some folks around here. That plus the fact that it was kinda all done without really asking for permission in any way, plus the fact that some of the signatures are really cryptic and are being interpreted by some as being political in nature, plus to newcomers the fact that there's no real explanation of what's going on ... anyway, I haven't drawn any firm conclusions yet but there are lots of angles to think about here.


as i mentioned toward CAFeathers, laugh and let laugh... the heartbeat of rock'n'roll is driven by emotion and some truculence too and not by the gear which it is made with.
in that sense and being sure that to talk on gear only must lead to boredom, we (the NICP) started to joke around a little and spread some of the core of rock'n'roll: FUN! :mrgreen:
-nobody is forced to join, nobody is forced to read our posts and at least we want to bother...; so if some off you feel offended or disturbed, just pass by and find more convenient posts (should be quite easy). and for those who face serious gear-problem: we're always pleased to give a helping hand.
finally a company like fender and its forum should be glad to have that creative clients and participants in their rows... and censorship is not a very clever manner to handle them!
so take us as we are: laugh and let laugh... or just pass by! :wink:
get and give further information and suggestion at: http://www.sabrelanesplace.com/phpBB3/index.php

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Post subject: Re: Brad and oxfan????
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:51 pm
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Brad, thanks for your understanding, I hate to be the wet blanket here.


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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:02 pm
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the chef! wrote:
Brad Traweek - Fender wrote:
LawDaddy wrote:
The clown stuff has really jumped the shark...


Yes, the above is actually a really good synopsis of the reasons I've contacted oxfan. From my basic understanding of the concept it's all good and well intended fun and there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it but at the same time it's reached the point where it's really starting to alienate some folks around here. That plus the fact that it was kinda all done without really asking for permission in any way, plus the fact that some of the signatures are really cryptic and are being interpreted by some as being political in nature, plus to newcomers the fact that there's no real explanation of what's going on ... anyway, I haven't drawn any firm conclusions yet but there are lots of angles to think about here.


as i mentioned toward CAFeathers, laugh and let laugh... the heartbeat of rock'n'roll is driven by emotion and some truculence too and not by the gear which it is made with.
in that sense and being sure that to talk on gear only must lead to boredom, we (the NICP) started to joke around a little and spread some of the core of rock'n'roll: FUN! :mrgreen:
-nobody is forced to join, nobody is forced to read our posts and at least we want to bother...; so if some off you feel offended or disturbed, just pass by and find more convenient posts (should be quite easy). and for those who face serious gear-problem: we're always pleased to give a helping hand.
finally a company like fender and its forum should be glad to have that creative clients and participants in their rows... and censorship is not a very clever manner to handle them!
so take us as we are: laugh and let laugh... or just pass by! :wink:
get and give further information and suggestion at: http://www.sabrelanesplace.com/phpBB3/index.php



Personally I find the NICP thing to be childish, unamusing, unintelligent and definitely a waste of space. A little fun on a Forum is great, I'm all for it. The NICP has taken it too far. If it continues in the manor that it is currently I will be closing my account and moving on.

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Post subject: Re: Brad and oxfan????
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:34 pm
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the chef! wrote:
Brad Traweek - Fender wrote:
LawDaddy wrote:
The clown stuff has really jumped the shark...


Yes, the above is actually a really good synopsis of the reasons I've contacted oxfan. From my basic understanding of the concept it's all good and well intended fun and there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it but at the same time it's reached the point where it's really starting to alienate some folks around here. That plus the fact that it was kinda all done without really asking for permission in any way, plus the fact that some of the signatures are really cryptic and are being interpreted by some as being political in nature, plus to newcomers the fact that there's no real explanation of what's going on ... anyway, I haven't drawn any firm conclusions yet but there are lots of angles to think about here.


as i mentioned toward CAFeathers, laugh and let laugh... the heartbeat of rock'n'roll is driven by emotion and some truculence too and not by the gear which it is made with.
in that sense and being sure that to talk on gear only must lead to boredom, we (the NICP) started to joke around a little and spread some of the core of rock'n'roll: FUN! :mrgreen:
-nobody is forced to join, nobody is forced to read our posts and at least we want to bother...; so if some off you feel offended or disturbed, just pass by and find more convenient posts (should be quite easy). and for those who face serious gear-problem: we're always pleased to give a helping hand.
finally a company like fender and its forum should be glad to have that creative clients and participants in their rows... and censorship is not a very clever manner to handle them!
so take us as we are: laugh and let laugh... or just pass by! :wink:
get and give further information and suggestion at: http://www.sabrelanesplace.com/phpBB3/index.php


Firstly, as a bassist myself I totally support the need for bass players to unite in the name of all this good and right - this is our duty as bass players. We must join forces and fight the good, bass-playing fight!

That said, just to play devil's advocate here, I see your statement above as fundamentally flawed logic that's very much along the same lines as that that most anyone who is repeatedly annoying others on these forums tends to fall back on. i.e., "If it annoys you just don't read it." That's simply not really consistent with the community- and family-oriented spirit over which the forums were founded under which any and all postings need to be composed in a way that is respectful of all others who are trying to enthuse here as well.

Also, to be honest, I think the NICP name and graphics need to change as well to something a bit more PC and nonoffensive to others. The crazy clown posse material is really proving to be polarizing to some folks; not just Chet here, but I've been getting a queue of messages on this topic from a number of others as well and just hadn't had a chance to address the issue until now.

Don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but just looking to see if there's any way we can work together to refine this activity a touch. One option I was pondering earlier would be to set up a members-only area of the forums just for you guys so that you can have at it, but can do so amongst yourselves primarily. We rename the posse to something a bit more positive. You keep your signatures but each of them includes a link to a post in which you explain the group so that our new members aren't kept in the dark.

Just thinking aloud here mainly. Open to further thoughts.

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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:36 am
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i've been keeping track of the whole NCIP nonesense for a while now, just to see what the hell it was. still have no clue. but in the past months it has been getting on my nerves, a lot. 'they' (meaning the members) often derail threads, make threads about nothing to do with music/guitars etc. like CAfeathers i think its unammusing, unconstructive waste of time and space. can there still be a NCIP? of cousrse, just get a member to create there own forum's, instead of hosting it here and clogging everything up

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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:19 am
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Yes, the NICP stuff can be very annoying. But I personally find that quite a few of the threads in the Fender Lounge sub-forum, amongst others, to be "childish, unamusing, unintelligent, and definitely a waste of space." Add to that the "Elitist Guitarist mentality" and snobbery that exists on this forum. I rarely venture outside the bass sub-forums because of that, and all the other nonsense on here. Oh well.

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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:05 am
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Yes, the NICP stuff can be very annoying. But I personally find that quite a few of the threads in the Fender Lounge sub-forum, amongst others, to be "childish, unamusing, unintelligent, and definitely a waste of space." Add to that the "Elitist Guitarist mentality" and snobbery that exists on this forum. I rarely venture outside the bass sub-forums because of that, and all the other nonsense on here. Oh well.

Just my opinion.


I agree with Zod. I was invited to NICP. I thought it was fun. The antics get old fast, but most of the members help out noob questions quite a bit, more so than any other members on here.

Brad whatever your decision is I'll agree. It's not a democracy here, it's a Fender Forum, and what the mods say should be it. I don't need a compromise. I wish the people that were not happy could've maybe pm the person they have issues with. The 2 times I've reported people since I've been here has been over spam post and a selling of the stolen cc access. Like most, if I don't like the thread or not know an answer to the question, I move on. Honestly, this Forum offers the most freedom compared to other forums I'm a member off.

Hope you come up with a solution soon Brad.

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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:53 am
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pbassbob wrote:
Brad - first, I'd like to thank you for your open minded approach, and desire to evaluate both sides of the issue...there are many forums whose administrators don't have such qualities.


Thanks. I'm not one to issue sweeping smackdowns and whatnot without fully evaluating all sides of the story, particularly when it's bass players we're talking about. We're already beaten down in life enough as it is. That said, this has become a hot enough topic that I have no choice but to intervene.

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Speaking for myself, the "antics" serve quite effectively as a "relief valve" of sorts, where a comedic bout of "can you top this" offsets a bad day or a bad week in a high stress occupation


Again just playing devil's advocate here, the above statement tends to hold true for virtually any exclusive club if you think about it - i.e., it's really fun for those who are in it and not so much for those who aren't. I think that's fundamentally the problem here, those who are in it are having a blast but those who aren't, are starting to get pretty freakin' annoyed.

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I can see where there will be those who just don't care for that, and certainly, they shouldn't have to - in that regard, I think your idea for a "members only" area would be a wonderful compromise. I don't think that access should be limited, however, as there have been a number of other members who actually enjoy the antics - I'd suggest that "super kid", who began this very thread, could be counted among those members, and there have been others as well.


This is a potential consideration although the name and associated clown antics would likely need to halt as well. To someone else's point, maybe that aspect of it could be taken off these forums altogether ... maybe over to Sabre's place, for example. Anyway, just some ideas. Discuss amongst yourselves (preferably offline :-) ) and let's keep the conversation flowing.

Also, one thing we didn't mention here earlier is that from what I'm gathering there seems to be a theme of swooping in and derailing threads and whatnot. That activity would need to come to a halt as well since it's outside forum policies. If it's a spammer invading the forums that's one thing, but if it's someone trying to have a legitimate conversation that's obviously another.


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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:04 pm
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Okay then-- looks like no more NICP . That's kind of obvious. Why drag it out?

Some people don't like it so it's done. It's up to Fender anyway. I hope those crotchety dudes are happy though. You will lose some people from the forum probubly. More than the amount that complained possibly-- maybe not.


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