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Post subject: Graphite Support Rods
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:09 am
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Do they really help keep the neck straight from heavy gauged strings?

I've finally decided to set my eyes on an American P, to compliment my Mexican and Japanese Ps, even though I can never really judge them based on where they've been made. I have a spare set of heavy gauge flats that warped an old neck I used on an old bass, and was wondering if the rods can truly prevent that. Figured I'd ask here since I know a lot play American made instruments, recent ones at least.

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Post subject: Re: Graphite Support Rods
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:21 am
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Garf wrote:
Do they really help keep the neck straight from heavy gauged strings?

I've finally decided to set my eyes on an American P, to compliment my Mexican and Japanese Ps, even though I can never really judge them based on where they've been made. I have a spare set of heavy gauge flats that warped an old neck I used on an old bass, and was wondering if the rods can truly prevent that. Figured I'd ask here since I know a lot play American made instruments, recent ones at least.


the graphite enforced necks are quite stiffer than the ones without. also the sound allover seems a little more harsh to me, not bad in the sense to have some extra definition in the upper mids and trebles which is easy to handle with the tone-knob.
guess you can go for thick gauges... :wink:

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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:35 am
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I can't really comment as I haven't tried one yet, but thanks for the info. Helps a lot. :D

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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:28 am
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Its not focused on just keeping it straight any more or any less,Its supposed to allow the truss rod to have an equal affect smoothly up and down the fretboard.
At one time the trussrod would not be equally tensioned the same in the middle as tone the very ends,the graphite rods lend support just as much as equal relief(bowing/backbowing)non supported older necks would have sometimes more relief at the nut end and less at the top end or vice-versa,Fender in the 70's were infamous for a little defect that occured over time called the "cow tongue"the neck would have relief but the very last 6 or so(maybe more,maybe less)would be a uphill ramp to the end of the fretboard.
Some blamed this on when shims were installed moisture would get under the neck and while the rest of the neck was dryed out/seasoned the end that was shimed was still not dry and allowing moisture in,I dont personaly believe it because there are countless basses with the micro tilt adjuster without the ever popular "cowtongue" I still go with the trusrods un-even relief across the fretboard.
So in a nutshell the graphite rods ASSIST in the rigidity of the neck but its main goal is even relief across the entire length of the fretboard coupled with the bi-flux trus-rod the necks became easier to keep playing properly.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:19 am
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Its not focused on just keeping it straight any more or any less,Its supposed to allow the truss rod to have an equal affect smoothly up and down the fretboard.
At one time the trussrod would not be equally tensioned the same in the middle as tone the very ends,the graphite rods lend support just as much as equal relief(bowing/backbowing)non supported older necks would have sometimes more relief at the nut end and less at the top end or vice-versa,Fender in the 70's were infamous for a little defect that occured over time called the "cow tongue"the neck would have relief but the very last 6 or so(maybe more,maybe less)would be a uphill ramp to the end of the fretboard.
Some blamed this on when shims were installed moisture would get under the neck and while the rest of the neck was dryed out/seasoned the end that was shimed was still not dry and allowing moisture in,I dont personaly believe it because there are countless basses with the micro tilt adjuster without the ever popular "cowtongue" I still go with the trusrods un-even relief across the fretboard.
So in a nutshell the graphite rods ASSIST in the rigidity of the neck but its main goal is even relief across the entire length of the fretboard coupled with the bi-flux trus-rod the necks became easier to keep playing properly.
Hope this helps :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Graphite Support Rods
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:51 pm
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Garf wrote:
Do they really help keep the neck straight from heavy gauged strings?

I've finally decided to set my eyes on an American P, to compliment my Mexican and Japanese Ps, even though I can never really judge them based on where they've been made. I have a spare set of heavy gauge flats that warped an old neck I used on an old bass, and was wondering if the rods can truly prevent that. Figured I'd ask here since I know a lot play American made instruments, recent ones at least.


Dear Garf- I'm not so sure about your second sentance. I think it should be the other way around, and yes you can judge them on where thay are made .
I have never had to adjust a Fender neck with graphite bars except maybe once. The necks just stay put. It is a great thing graphite bars in necks. The guy who figured that out should be given a Mazarati or something.


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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:39 pm
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The guy who figured that out should be given a Mazarati or something.


can i get the ca$h instead? :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Graphite Support Rods
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:22 am
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stroker vance wrote:
Garf wrote:
Do they really help keep the neck straight from heavy gauged strings?

I've finally decided to set my eyes on an American P, to compliment my Mexican and Japanese Ps, even though I can never really judge them based on where they've been made. I have a spare set of heavy gauge flats that warped an old neck I used on an old bass, and was wondering if the rods can truly prevent that. Figured I'd ask here since I know a lot play American made instruments, recent ones at least.


Dear Garf- I'm not so sure about your second sentance. I think it should be the other way around, and yes you can judge them on where thay are made .
I have never had to adjust a Fender neck with graphite bars except maybe once. The necks just stay put. It is a great thing graphite bars in necks. The guy who figured that out should be given a Mazarati or something.

Haha, I know what you mean, all I'm saying is that I seem to have trouble with that due to both of them being so damn good, but that could be cos one was heavily modded to my preferred specs. That's all I can say to justify it. :P

If that's the case, like everyone's been saying, then I guess a Graphite Rodded neck is in my immediate future. I really do miss heavy gauged strings.

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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:57 am
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On my basses that I owned past and present fitted with the graphite rods I never thought they made that much difference in the necks OVERALL stability but what I did find was that they allowed the fretboard to have continuing relief across the whole neck opposed to more or less at the very ends of the fretboard like before.
They were intendid to assist the new bi-flux trus rod that can be adjusted either way(both frontwards and back-bowed)in attaining a flowing adjustment,I'm sure just about all of us have had the bass that the forst 10 frets would buzz due to a backbow up top, or the need to shim the neck at the bottom or otherwise the action would be horrific because of localized lip in the bottom 8 frets,we all have been there and these are some of the problems Fender was trying to overcome with the new "bi-flux" trus system and graphite "posi-flex".
And not mentioned but equally important is allowing both the treble side and bass side to have the same amt of relief,it made both sides(bass&treble)of the neck having exactly the same relief in spite of one side(bass)having thicker strings with more tension and the other(treble)with thinner strings with less tension,this is a feature that I believe is one of Fenders best design up-grades to date. :idea: TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT :!:
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Garf wrote:
stroker vance wrote:
Garf wrote:
Do they really help keep the neck straight from heavy gauged strings?

I've finally decided to set my eyes on an American P, to compliment my Mexican and Japanese Ps, even though I can never really judge them based on where they've been made. I have a spare set of heavy gauge flats that warped an old neck I used on an old bass, and was wondering if the rods can truly prevent that. Figured I'd ask here since I know a lot play American made instruments, recent ones at least.


Dear Garf- I'm not so sure about your second sentance. I think it should be the other way around, and yes you can judge them on where thay are made .
I have never had to adjust a Fender neck with graphite bars except maybe once. The necks just stay put. It is a great thing graphite bars in necks. The guy who figured that out should be given a Mazarati or something.

Haha, I know what you mean, all I'm saying is that I seem to have trouble with that due to both of them being so damn good, but that could be cos one was heavily modded to my preferred specs. That's all I can say to justify it. :P

If that's the case, like everyone's been saying, then I guess a Graphite Rodded neck is in my immediate future. I really do miss heavy gauged strings.



sounds good to me man!!


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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:43 pm
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low-Hz-blow wrote:
stroker vance wrote:
The guy who figured that out should be given a Mazarati or something.


can i get the ca$h instead? :mrgreen:



sure,,,,,,you can get cash- !!!!! Wait on me !!!!!!! :D


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