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Post subject: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 11:17 am
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After being w/out a computer for a few years I lost sight of this but now having access to the internet I am disturbed by volume of this practice;
I am a bit disappointed(but not surprised)at the number of Vintage basses being sold for parts,there is nothing wrong with selling stuff that was swapped out in favor of new mods,nothing bad about selling some body and necks to make room for others,old junky bass no money to fix-it up alright,BUT to break down VINTAGE basses and selling them piece by piece is pathetic which only helps to drive the prices through the roof making them unobtainable for many musicians.
This practice is'nt really any problem when done to a new bass or something recently made,I buy used parts all the time and there's nothing wrong with turning over basses for parts to earn a living or personal use,but seeing a vintage P-bass or Jazz bass(any type) cut up for parts only is cheesy.
This is'nt meant for someone who does it every now and then,or a private luthier earning a living building basses,It's aimed at the ones doing this all the time,Listing 3-4 basses at a clip at every auction cycle or buy-it-now 1 or 2 day listings,It adds up after awhile.
I know times are tuff,sales are low and the economy stinks but seeing all these basses being disembowled over the last how ever many years helps only to lower the numbers of vintage pieces and raises the amount of non-original basses being passed off as correct flooding the market,not many people can spot a fake and even less can do it over a internet auction,I have seen people earn a GOOD living passing off altered basses as original or vintage with the aid of a few stratigically worded phrases that removes any liability of the item's originality in question from the seller should the bass be something other than what was described as in the auctions description,the numbers are staggering of people who get scammed then stuck with a bass worth far less than it was though originally to be.
I guess the breaking up of a TRULY vintage bass is what really bothers me more than anything,their numbers are low to begin with now we have to contend with others purposfully breaking them up to sell as individual pieces and driving their overly inflated prices up further on purpose or not.
My new group will be called B.A.D.V.I.B.E. Bassists Against Destruction of Vintage Basses Everywhere HUH ? Whadda Ya Think ? :mrgreen: Yes I am screwd up,nothing else better to do now I am un-employed(besides practice)

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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:14 pm
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I'm there with you too, lawsuit. I don't mind a that places like reliable fender, where they chop up all kinds of Fender everything, rarely vintage, and put it up on eBay. I've bought parts there myself.

But I forever pushed away thoughts I had of parting out that '64 p-bass I recently bought, even knowing I was offered more for the neck then what I had in tied up in whole bass, You play the thing and you just realize there's just too much history, feeling and, and I just know that p is meant to stay together as is, with few minor changes suggested by the guys here until affordable period correct parts, like p/u, cab be found. Then I'll have the sound I'm after and hopefully (finances willing) that I'll be able to keep it around for the duration.

I'd say we should have a commitment toward keeping the good stuff as is. Ok, Badvibe, I'm in.

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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 4:03 pm
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I recently realized that the parts on eBay were being sold this way. I don't mind the idea of someone whacking a MIM into parts (I just ordered a neck obviously produced by this method) but the loss of vintage instruments bothers me, and I'm not even into vintage!

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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:06 pm
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Seems all the members of NICP agree with you. But then again, we always seem to agree with each other. In case you don't know already, welcome aboard, lawsuitbass!

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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:26 am
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Thanks oxfan and everybody who makes this site a worthwhile site to come to in the bass commuinty,I woul'nt have said it if I was being un-true about seeing many vintage basses being hacked,Its always being done check E-bay from time to time and see just how many basses vintage all the way to the late 80's.
In my book a bass is more than just a guitar,they do absorbe a certain amount of "Mojo"over time,they also dry out a bit making them lighter and more resonant, that along with accurate building makes them almost impossible to replicate,they seem to take on a sound all of their own (also next to impossible to replicate)my basses are very personal to me they seem to get better over time so busting them up for a buck on any bass new or vintage I really cant stomach seeing that happening.
And if you dont care one way or the other hopefully you will have a moment of realization when you pick up a bass and it just "feels right" to you then you will understand the Reasoning behind not parting a vintage piece,just my opinion and not in any way trying to flame anyone who does'nt agree with my beliefs.I will shutup now..Maybe.. :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:27 am
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I agree completely with all you've said. If you've ever read my posts, the one thing I preach is, play every bass you can get your hands on when you're trying to make a decision. I know the feeling of picking up the "right" bass.

Those who are parting out basses could care less about them. Sad world we live in.

No reason for you to shutup. :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 7:32 am
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Not vintage... but nonetheless a bass that I would like to see "not parted"... This guy is not shy about doing it.. he makes no effort in being discrete about parting out this beautiful bass...


http://cgi.ebay.com/Fender-JAPAN-60s-RI ... 588e4098c7

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fender-JAPAN-60s-RI ... 588e408495

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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:16 am
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I'm on the fence on this. If people are selling, but no one's buying, it's not an issue. BUT, people are buying these parted out vintage basses/guitars. There's a market for it. I honestly am pricing out a body for my '99 MIJ, thinking I'm going to use Warmoth body. This might not be the route for me, I might end up buying a Fender body. Which? Which ever is "the right time, right price" for me. So, basically I'm going to a nicer body - ie. MIA bod. It's all up in the air for me for now - I might still go Warmoth yet.

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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:33 am
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There are e-bayers who ONLY sell basses in parts, Again newer model's dont drive up the prices or the numbers of vintage models available,they are still easy to find or replace,its the older ones most of US cannot afford any longer because of availability,it to me is kinda like finding a fosselized skeleton of a extremely rare dinosaur and insted of selling it to a museum intact its sold bone by bone to private dealers to then again be resold to rich collectors.
Its a piece of history we are dealing with,in a small way but still a piece,these stripped basses are a very big piece of the evolution of music of all kinds and types,This may be an inflated compairason but its only to demonstrate how to some of us a vintage bass is worth more than just the sum of all its parts,Most of our bass Hero's (both older and newer)more than likely played a Vintage bass before they were "vintage",deemed cool or the lastest fad,so seeing them busted up or no longer afforable hits a sour note. :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:56 am
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Not vintage... but nonetheless a bass that I would like to see "not parted"... This guy is not shy about doing it.. he makes no effort in being discrete about parting out this beautiful bass...


http://cgi.ebay.com/Fender-JAPAN-60s-RI ... 588e4098c7

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fender-JAPAN-60s-RI ... 588e408495


Am I allowed to quote myself ?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Funny thing is that if you were to buy both of these "parts", it would be $600 for the bass... Which really, is a fair price...

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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:08 pm
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While some people may frown on quoting yourself, it's O.K., it doesn't make you a bad person. This is still a free country!

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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:18 pm
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I agree 100%! Actually, I've said this very thing on other forums, but got replies about Fender basses being built from a bin of parts in the first place, so parting them out is not harmful... Whatever.

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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:47 pm
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I've found that on the "Other Forums", everyone is just so smart and knows just about everything there is to know about everything.

O.K., that's over. Here we try and keep it down to a mild roar, surprisingly, we've experienced a lot and there are some people here that have forgotten more than the "Other Experts" know.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:18 pm
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If it sounds too good to be true,then it USUALLY is, There are cases where the seller was tricked or duped when buying it, Now that its being resold the item is'nt what it was originally thought to be,The seller is now stuck either eating the cost and refunding the money or he passes the screwing on the next next guy,like they say "$@!& rolls down hill"
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Post subject: Re: New AND Vintage Basses being parted out.....
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:36 pm
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Parting out the old Fenders is bothersome to me also. You know, I don't see alot of people parting out Gibsons, Gretch, Guild, I banez. Just Fenders. That one company that does it on ebay ( with newer Fenders) seems to be the main parting outers. The others are figuring they can make even more off the vintage stuff. They are too.

I guess not all of us feel the same about the vintage guitars. People want money. Money even if it means ruining a vintage Fender bass.

All I can say is I have my 2 vintage basses. I know where they came from and I know where they are staying. In one piece!!! :D

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