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Post subject: Hierarchy of build countries.
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:25 am
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The MIA basses I know are the top dogs before you get to custom shop, but what is the hierarchy of builds?

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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:41 pm
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- Custom Shop Series (Relic - full nitro finish, top quality hardware and p-u, hand selected woods)
- Custom Shop Series (N.O.S. same features but a little cheaper 'cause of the non -relic work)
- American Vintage Series (nitro finish, de luxe tweed/tolex case like CS series but different woods and pickups)
- American Standard/American Deluxe (same quality of American Standard but active circuitation)
- Road Worn Series (Mex)
- Highway Series
- Classic Series (Mex)
- Standard Series (Mex)/De Luxe (Mex)


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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:19 am
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Simoneisidoro wrote:
- Custom Shop Series (Relic - full nitro finish, top quality hardware and p-u, hand selected woods)
- Custom Shop Series (N.O.S. same features but a little cheaper 'cause of the non -relic work)
- American Vintage Series (nitro finish, de luxe tweed/tolex case like CS series but different woods and pickups)
- American Standard/American Deluxe (same quality of American Standard but active circuitation)
- Road Worn Series (Mex)
- Highway Series
- Classic Series (Mex)
- Standard Series (Mex)/De Luxe (Mex)


to add to Simoneididoro's hierarchy list:

For Custom Shop
1)Single Master built (e.g. made by one builder/luthier for "everything")
2)Team Master built (e.g. a group of builders built a guitar)
3) then the "regular" Custom Shop Series that they mention RELIC, CLOSET CLASSIC, NOS

In my opinion, I would rank the made in Japan Fenders like the Marcus Miller, Geddy Lee above the American Standard line.

Then after the Road Worn Series, I'd put the made in Korea e.g. the Jazz 24 (4 & 5 string basses)

Word of advice, if you can afford an American Standard or higher up buy them even if you have to save up since from an "appreciation" standpoint, the American made basses (to a lesser degree the Highway One) will keep up their value. So whatever you paid for it today in say 20years or so it will keep up with inflation and be roughley the same equivilant in 20years from now as to what you paid today.


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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:10 am
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Fendered wrote:

to add to Simoneididoro's hierarchy list:

For Custom Shop
1)Single Master built (e.g. made by one builder/luthier for "everything")
2)Team Master built (e.g. a group of builders built a guitar)
3) then the "regular" Custom Shop Series that they mention RELIC, CLOSET CLASSIC, NOS




TEAM BUILT Series is the regular Custom Shop Series, mentioned as RELIC and NOS on the website (CLOSET CLASSIC finish is no longer available).
It includes the 64 Jazz bass and 59 Precision bass, the Pino Palladino Precision model, the Pastorius Jazz bass and Reggie Hamilton jazz bass.

MASTER BUILT Series are creatures apart, much more expensive than Team Built and not in the Custom Shop website. They are produced in far fewer than the Team Built (from a few to a hundred copies). So you might find Jazz basses with tremolo bar, or Precision'51 style basses with double single coil or double humbacker (wonderful), or, what else...a simil-Elite 2 P bass and so on, unusual colors and stuff like that.
Everything is left to the luthier's inspiration or the customer's request.

Please, have a look here and get an idea:
http://www.yamano-music.co.jp/hard/user ... Code=02-01
AMAZING!!


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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:37 am
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Great information. I've always been curious about the middle range basses especially.

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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:44 pm
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Simoneisidoro wrote:
- Custom Shop Series (Relic - full nitro finish, top quality hardware and p-u, hand selected woods)
- Custom Shop Series (N.O.S. same features but a little cheaper 'cause of the non -relic work)
- American Vintage Series (nitro finish, de luxe tweed/tolex case like CS series but different woods and pickups)
- American Standard/American Deluxe (same quality of American Standard but active circuitation)
- Road Worn Series (Mex)
- Highway Series
- Classic Series (Mex)
- Standard Series (Mex)/De Luxe (Mex)


I found that very interesting. I agree that the quality of the MIM stuff had picked up in the past decade and on your list the Road Worn MIM beats the USA Highway One!

Would be interesting to see where would you put the CIJ Fender basses in your ranking!


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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:23 am
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It depends.
Japanese production has different product lines. Leaving aside the signature series (very well done), we have a first basic series, cheapest, which I think is the level of the Mexican Standard or Classic series maybe. Then we have a reissue "cheap", series with basswood body, made in Japan pickups (I would put them next to the Mexican Classic series too), and a Reissue "premium" series, more carefully done, with alder or ash body, USA style pickups (but still made in Japan, different from USA reissue ones), vintage style tuning machines, and bridge with vintage style saddles. I think this series can compete very well as finishing with the American Standard series. But as for the sound, everything is relative.
Japanese products in general have proven since the 70's. They work very well.
However except for some signature models and few others, all other models are not exported 'till today, being available only for domestic Japanese market.


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