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Post subject: HELP TO IDENTIFY THIS BASS
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:24 am
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PLEASE HELP TO IDENTIFY THIS MODEL OF PB! SERIAL NUMBER IS E114172. LOOK AT THE MATERIAL OF THE BODY!

THANX.

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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:52 am
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Wow. Walnut body set up a lot like an 83 Elite but yours has an 81 serial. The body has been modified. The control arrangement also looks like an Elite setup. Interesting project!


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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:09 am
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Which part of the body has been modified?
The bridge pick-up hole looks like factory produced!


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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:39 pm
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The neck has a maple fingerboard.
And look backplate mounting has screws with different types of thread:
1) two screws
2) one screw (central)
+ micro-neck ajust.

Pick-ups have three wires and all electronical parts came to me separately, I mean disconected inside the guitar.
The modern pbass special has jbass neck, and our strange model has micro-neck adjust.

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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:07 pm
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Possibly an early-production Elite bass. I believe that the Elites had a 4-bolt neck with micro-tilt adjustment and "Fender Elite" on the neck plate. Also a different bridge??


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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:35 pm
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algudkov wrote:
Which part of the body has been modified?
The bridge pick-up hole looks like factory produced!


Yes they do. However the neck pickup cavity appears to have been enlarged into one big rectangle. I think this was done to get a more centralized pickup location to mimic the Elite II. This instrument was also aluminum foil shielded. I also don't think the knobs are stock.

Officially introduced in 1983, most all Elite basses I've ever seen had walnut bodies with walnut necks, solid white pickup covers and all gold hardware. HOWEVER you could order Elites with chrome. The hardware was all premium Fender logoed but Schaller produced. The bridge on this bass is different from the Elite bridge. These appear to be EMG pickups. It is possible you could order an Elite with an all maple neck, but I never saw one. Because of the serial this is not an Elite.

What I think you may have is a PRECISION SPECIAL (made in the early 80's preceding the Elite) modified in the style of the Elite II including the electronics. The PRECISION SPECIAL of the early 80's only had one pickup though as far as I know and it was in the standard position of the other P-basses closer to the neck.

The first bass with TWO sets of Precision pickups to be officially recognized was the ELITE II, which wasn't made in 1981. The Elite II looked like the photos below. Note the neck pickup location is centralized and it has walnut neck.

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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:38 am
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thankyou.

I know it all about the difference between those models. So can they find more information from serial number (more then date of creating this instrument)?


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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:36 am
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algudkov wrote:
thankyou.

I know it all about the difference between those models. So can they find more information from serial number (more then date of creating this instrument)?


That is about all the serial will tell you. Sometimes the neck codes tell more, narrowing down the neck production date to the specific day the neck was stamped.


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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:50 am
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there is no additional numbers on it such I have on my strat neck on mounting area. i found the information that sometimes Fender didn't mark it inside the mounting area.

So who can tell me that "more infomation"?

Thank you!


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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:21 pm
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I think that bass is a fake Fender that was produced in some back alley factory in the Phillipines.
The body is not Fender made nor is the neck. There is no way that a neck that crude would find its was on the cheapest Squire bass, let alone a Fender bass.

The Legit parts are the 3 bolt mounting system. That came off a real Fender that someone converted to 4 bolt. Probably a Late 70's Telecaster bass. A lot of owners converted their basses from 3 to 4 bolt and if that was done the neck mouting plates and harware are useless to the original owner, so he gives or sells them to the repair guy who built this bass!

The have two sheet metal screws and a machine screw to make the 3 bolt connection.

The pickups are Dimarzios or Dimarzio copies. The neck is all wrong in how it is built and finished. How many Fender or even Squire basses have two peice headstoccks? NONE!
Somebody lifted a decal or made a made in usa decal for that neck, it is not legitimate.

The body is probably some derivation of Phillipine mahogany, or some other indiginous wood to the Phillipines.

This bass was probably bought by a US serviceman overseas or on a Navy ship visiting the far east.

Beware of fake Fenders- they have been making them for 50 years in the Phillipines!

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:45 pm
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Do you have any photos? It's so interesting!


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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:20 am
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What makes identifying this bass difficult is that it does have some legit Fender hardware: neck mounting plate and bolts, maybe the bridge and maybe the tuners.
I say maybe because most bridges like this were on Precision Specials of 1982 and they were gold plated. They could've made some in chrome so I'll guess that the bridge is legitamate.
The tuners look like they are trying to be Schaller Fenders but I think they are Asian of some kind.

The parts that set off my fake alarm are the crude truss rod adjustment. Crudely made nut. Two piece headstock.
The brass sockets for the pickup screws. Fender never used them on any bass AFAIK.

Crude strap buttons.

It doesn't look right. It may be a great bass though but I don't think that it is a Fender bass.

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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:55 pm
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Regardless if it is original, it's really cool. If an overseas military man did this work it's even cooler like WWII trench art! I dig it for what it is.

By the way, how do it edit my profile? It says hobbist? I've been playing for over 40 years and still work with two bands. I can't find how to cange it.


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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:51 pm
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pbassguy wrote:
Regardless if it is original, it's really cool. If an overseas military man did this work it's even cooler like WWII trench art! I dig it for what it is.

By the way, how do it edit my profile? It says hobbist? I've been playing for over 40 years and still work with two bands. I can't find how to cange it.


Pbassguy, the level of your membership here relates to the number of posts you make. You can't change it, except by making posts.

The soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines buy them from street vendor carts, kiosks and legitimate storefront shops. They are produced in a multitude of ways ranging from a solitary soul in a thatched hut using only hand tools to actual factories. They are sold just about anywhere American service members were ever stationed or sent for R&R and even way station stopovers on the way home. The slang for a Vietnamese hut is "HOOCH" so I call all of the Asian instruments HOOCH basses. Not sure this is a HOOCH bass. Might be, but would have to look at this thing in person.


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Post subject: WOW! this is one for the experts
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:50 pm
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I see some legit stuff and some not so legit stuff(and a few things in between)I have come across a few basses in my time doing set-up/repair work that were made overseas and sold off as a american made Fender.
Fender even admitted to using their Squier japan co. to make some guitars and label them as US made,I have the same bridge in gold off of a p-bass special US model,the micro tilt looks dead on to me but Fender japan was doing them on the jazz specials(duff g/r model bass)as well,the tuners look a bit fugazzi but the Dimarzios are dead on 80's hair metal.
This is a whole bunch of different makes to come together and make a pretty interesting bass,gice it a set up and a re-frett if you are to keep it and enjoy the conversation piece everywhere you play it,sooner or later you will find the person who may just know the whole story.
untill then if it sounds good,PLAY IT :twisted:


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