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Post subject: Confusing Vintage P-bass
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:06 pm
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My old pbass neck is stamped april of 66. the body: two pin routing dowel fillers visible in topcenter and lowercenter of back, router tool impression in topleft of pickup cavity, very narrow 1/8in x 1in bridge ground wire hole, saddles of bridge are threaded not flat polished, but! serial on neckplate is 341077! :? the pics aren't online except for myspace:


if you can't get to the pics the neck cavity markings are: penciled "D", marker "R" sideways, small circle stamp with "11" in center, shallow 1/4in square hole in center of cavity, two philips head screwdriver indentions at pickup end of cavity, and paint stick outline at Estring side of cavity.
Can anybody Help me?


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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:49 pm
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I see what you mean by confusing. A '66 neck with a '72 serial.

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pictures of to what I am referring: thanks for the tip
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:59 pm
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Have you dated the pot codes?
You can get to my pot dating resources here: http://brotherdave.com/add_data.htm


I'm sort of thinking that one of two things happened here. Putting an older neck on a newer body OR more likely from what I'm seeing someone switched the original 66 neckplate for the '72 neckplate.


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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:19 pm
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the pots are EMGs and have four digit serial 8703 which I took to mean the third week of 1987. Is there a resource for dating EMG pots?


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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:43 pm
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Hmmm. so not the original pots then. I think the body and neck may have started out together and the neckplate got swapped. Not sure but that would explain the whole thing.


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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:54 pm
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the position of the dowel filled router pins are like ones I've seen on 66's, the 72's have router pins located on the upper right edge under big horn, and lower center edge, near the edge of the body to be hidden in the black of the sunburst, yes?


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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:37 pm
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mmenley wrote:
the position of the dowel filled router pins are like ones I've seen on 66's, the 72's have router pins located on the upper right edge under big horn, and lower center edge, near the edge of the body to be hidden in the black of the sunburst, yes?


Are you talking about the nail holes?


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No nail holes were not used after the early sixties. Hence the paint stick outline. (around the time they stopped body dating :cry: ) The dark spots visible in the last two pictures are holes used to stabilize the guitar while being routed, then filled with dowels there is a forum called:
"Tooling Holes in CS Stratocaster's bodies"
which briefly explains. Every 72 body I've seen has the holes located at very edge of body (hidden under black). they should date the guitar to mid sixties


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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:22 pm
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To my knowledge Fender did both the flattened electrical conduit "sticks" for the painting process and also continued using nails for over 2 years. Those last two years the nails were used for drying purposes only and not for the actual paint application. When they went to the "drying tree" arrangement well into the 64/65 model year only then did Fender eliminate the drying nails. The router fills are usually not detectable without stripping which is why I asked if you were confusing nail holes with dowels holes. If no nail holes the body is post fall 1964 which is in line with the neck date.


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brother dave I appreciate the attention you've committed to this post a lot! You've been a great help so far, The router holes are however visible through all of paint and finish because of their mid to late sixties location. They would not be visible without stripping if they were in the early seventies location closer to the edge of the body hidden under black paint of sunburst. Do you know exactly in which year they moved these dowel filled router pin holes?


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The routing positions would have changed by the 65/66 model year in July of '65. I've read that CBS brought in automated routing machines and eliminated the skilled routing people almost immediately after taking control in early 1965 and this changed the hole locations.


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I've seen the holes move from the time of the 66 bodies to the time of the 72 bodies. When in that time period did they move? Mines a 66 CBS so the new machine switch in 65 doesnt fall in the timeframe I'm inquiring about. That is great detective work man, I've been scouring and asking everyone who'll talk!!!


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...and the never ending search continues...


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