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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:02 pm
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I would like to know how old my p bass is . My mom said my dad ordered it in memphis tn. in the 70's and it was the first year the color antigua was used. I took the neck off to see the date and all I saw was 3102 # 19 and the last two numbers were not legible the serial # on the neck ends with 76 could it be a 76 model ? anyway the owner Berle Olswanger himself flew to Fender to pick it up. that's what my mom could recall about it.


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Since you didn't post the serial number it is hard to say.

You can date it to the year of manufacture by the serial HERE:
http://www.fender.com/support/usa_instruments.php
or here: http://www.guitardaterproject.org/fender.aspx

Congrats. Those are really interesting finishes and Antiqua adds to the collector value a bit because it was a "Custom Color" on solid body instruments and considered rare.

If you want to get into neck codes read more about that here:
http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fender.html

Links to all these sites are linked to from my own INSTRUMENT HISTORIC DATA resource page, which you'll find in my signature.

The Antiqua color was introduced in 1967 appearing first on the Coronado series hollow body instruments and then the Solid body instruments followed with Antiqua as a "Custom Color" shortly after.

I have heard a story that Antiqua was introduced for a specific reason. The story went that the binding on the Coronado hollow body guitars often had to be applied multiple times because it kept popping out. They were having adhesion problems. The process involved the binding being applied with glue and then the binding was heated. Often they would have to redo bindings two or three or more times because the binding would keep popping out. Sometimes the wood got scorched so badly after multiple heat applications that no existing Fender finish would cover it. The black trim of the Antiqua finish covered the burn marks perfectly. That is the story I heard. It may or may not be true. Anyone know for sure? I've always wondered about that.


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Thank you for you info Brother Dave, I found out through your resource that my bass was made at the Fullerton Plant in 1977 & 1978 and the plant is no longer open . I inherited this bass from my Dad several years ago along with his stratocaster and ventura acoustic I am not interested in playing the bass , though I love the feel and understand why so many people play them a true piece of art. the only thing missing is the chrome piece that covers the pickups . mom said dad took it off the day he got it. I would say the neck and finish is almost perfect with only minor scratches here and there that could probably be removed with a good buff job. anyway i am going to put it on ebay in a few days. and I will keep the guitars because that's what I play. what do you think the precision is worth?


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buzznod wrote:
Thank you for you info Brother Dave, I found out through your resource that my bass was made at the Fullerton Plant in 1977 & 1978 and the plant is no longer open . I inherited this bass from my Dad several years ago along with his stratocaster and ventura acoustic I am not interested in playing the bass , though I love the feel and understand why so many people play them a true piece of art. the only thing missing is the chrome piece that covers the pickups . mom said dad took it off the day he got it. I would say the neck and finish is almost perfect with only minor scratches here and there that could probably be removed with a good buff job. anyway i am going to put it on ebay in a few days. and I will keep the guitars because that's what I play. what do you think the precision is worth?


Well value is hard to say without actually looking at it. So I'm reluctant to go there sight unseen. Also value fluctuates depending on where you are in the world. If I say it is worth $2000 here it might be worth $4000 somewhere else like the UK or Japan. Lately the general trend has been down, down, down on vintage instruments of all sorts.

As you know the economy is depressed right now in the USA. If you could just stash it away for year or two you might realize a much higher sale price in an eBay sale, or any other sale for that matter, once the economy turns around. I've yet to see any genuine indication of any turnaround happening yet. One thing is for sure, the longer you keep it the more it will be worth! Also the dollar is falling to record lows compared to foreign currencies such as the Euro. I'd sit on it for at least the next year, maybe two years before I'd consider selling it in an auction format.


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Thank's again that's great advice I don't have to sell it, who knows maybe I 'll just learn to play it , It's certainly a wonderful axe and looks awesome. I haven't seen anyone else play one like it ! and it's vintage.... I just got through talking to my uncle you may have heard of him Donald Duck Dunn , he has so many cool stories to tell . I like when he talks about Monteray Pop Festival he was with Booker T & the M G's and still plays with them today.


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buzznod wrote:
Thank you for you info Brother Dave, I found out through your resource that my bass was made at the Fullerton Plant in 1977 & 1978 and the plant is no longer open . I inherited this bass from my Dad several years ago along with his stratocaster and ventura acoustic I am not interested in playing the bass , though I love the feel and understand why so many people play them a true piece of art. the only thing missing is the chrome piece that covers the pickups . mom said dad took it off the day he got it. I would say the neck and finish is almost perfect with only minor scratches here and there that could probably be removed with a good buff job. anyway i am going to put it on ebay in a few days. and I will keep the guitars because that's what I play. what do you think the precision is worth?


Well value is hard to say without actually looking at it. So I'm reluctant to go there sight unseen. Also value fluctuates depending on where you are in the world. If I say it is worth $2000 here it might be worth $4000 somewhere else like the UK or Japan. Lately the general trend has been down, down, down on vintage instruments of all sorts.

As you know the economy is depressed right now in the USA. If you could just stash it away for year or two you might realize a much higher sale price in an eBay sale, or any other sale for that matter, once the economy turns around. I've yet to see any genuine indication of any turnaround happening yet. One thing is for sure, the longer you keep it the more it will be worth! Also the dollar is falling to record lows compared to foreign currencies such as the Euro. I'd sit on it for at least the next year, maybe two years before I'd consider selling it in an auction format.


It's not the economy, since Fender came out with the Roadworn series everybody is buying them because they are wonderful!

Sorry Brother Dave , I couldn't help being a jerk, and for those of you that can't appreciate sarcasm, Roadworn guitars are ba sore spot with me.


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buzznod wrote:
Thank's again that's great advice I don't have to sell it, who knows maybe I 'll just learn to play it , It's certainly a wonderful axe and looks awesome. I haven't seen anyone else play one like it ! and it's vintage.... I just got through talking to my uncle you may have heard of him Donald Duck Dunn , he has so many cool stories to tell . I like when he talks about Monteray Pop Festival he was with Booker T & the M G's and still plays with them today.


Yes I have heard of him.

Uncle Duck would know the people who deal in vintage basses and how you can get the most money possible for it. If Uncle Duck has actually ever played that bass at some point, even just jamming with your dad, get a signed notarized statement from your uncle to that effect. That would add to the desirability and value of the instrument. Historic basses played by iconic players are highly collectible. If you could get a photo of your uncle holding the instrument, all the better. You could much more easily sell a "Duck Dunn Played" bass and get a lot more for it.

If you can get a message to him, ask him to contact me through my bass website in my signature below. There is a contact link for me on the main menu. I would love do an interview with him for the site. Thanks!


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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:34 pm
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I will ask him brotherdave. what is a roadworn guitar ?


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buzznod,

Having "Duck" Dunn as an uncle is very cool! "Duck" has influenced the way I learned to play more than any other bass player on the earth...I remember listening to him when I first heard Booker T. and just "feeling" the bass. I was quite young at the time and really didn't even know what a bass guitar was (at that time I was having dreams of playing trombone in a "horn" band like Chicago or the CC Riders)...it wasn't until the Blues Bro's movie came out that I realized that trombone wasn't where it was at for me (with apologies to "Bones" Malone) and that I HAD to learn to play that bass like "Duck" was doing. Here, right in front of me, was the very person who I'd listened to on the radio. It changed my life forever...

I had just got out of the Navy at that time and I went out and bought a bass that I still have, a 1982 '62 Fullerton Reissue P-Bass and began the process of learning to play R&B music, just as my hero "Duck" was doing.
He still influences everything I play...

Give your uncle a VERY heartfelt thanks for me when you see him again...I've always dreamed of meeting him in person to thank him for all he's done for bass players the world over but alas, I doubt it will ever come to pass. He is a great man in my eyes.

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Thanks for the kind words dedmouse. when I was just a snottynose kid Booker T and the mg's would play at our house some times. My mom sold Booker T her piano and my dad sold Steve Cropper a beautiful blond telecaster that he played on stage alot. I am going to send Uncle Duck my 1977 P bass and have him set it up and get him to autograph it for me. how cool is that ! I was going to sell my bass but after doing research on it (thanks to brotherdave) I decided to learn to play it. the fender p bass feels like it could play itself , what a wonderful guitar ,I am a pretty good guitar player but good guitar players are every where it's the good bass players that are hard to find


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buzznod,
It is amazing those things we take for granted, not realizing the person we are friends with or maybe even related to might be quite a 'celebrity" in their own right and we don't even know it (or think about that person that way).

When I was a young buck in the Navy, living in San Diego, I did sound for a band that was pretty good...weird, but good. The guitarist in our band was good friends with a guy that lived not too far away in El Cajon, none other than Frank Zappa...he would come over and jam with us when he wasn't on the road or in the recording studio. He was quite a cat, a little on the strange side but very smart and extremely humorous. I knew kinda who he was but he was just a regular joe, if not a bit opinionated but very nice. It wasn't until I moved back to New England and started getting into some of the more esoteric forms of Rock and Roll did I realize who he really was.

Ya just never know.

Somewhere I have some slides (35mm pictures...remember those :wink: ?) of the band practicing and there's FZ doing his thang. I'll have to see if I can dig those up. It's been 30 years since all that happened.

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buzznod wrote:
I am going to send Uncle Duck my 1977 P bass and have him set it up and get him to autograph it for me. how cool is that ! I was going to sell my bass but after doing research on it (thanks to brotherdave) I decided to learn to play it.......good bass players...are hard to find.


Make sure you have photographs made of him with, and better yet, actually signing the instrument. Also a notarized signed statement from him stating it is his signature on the instrument detailing the serial number would be worth much more than the 5 or 10 bucks a notary would charge him to notarize his signature on the certificate. That would be money well spent.

Is he still living in Florida?

Yes GOOD bassists are very hard to find!


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I will get him to do that . and yes he is still in florida


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I only wish he would write a book on his adventures .he has a website google his name and check it out.


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DON'T HAVE HIM SIGN IT!!!!!!


The signature of no bass player living on earth is worth what negative effects it would have on even a squier bass, let alone a 1970's antigua P-Bass. Nobody gets instruments signed as a collectors piece for value. That's why whenever you run across for example, a Clapton signature on a strat, it's always a squier. Because the act of writing on a guitar deducts more money off the value than the value of the signature itself. Your antigua P-Bass is a beautiful vintage piece, you could get more money with a notorized letter confirming that it was played by "Duck" Dunn of Booker T and the MG's, than anything, but please don't let hime take a sharpie to such a rare and beautiful finish.


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