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Post subject: To hang or not to hang
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:40 pm
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I've been of the opinion for so long (that I can't even remember) that hanging a bass by the neck is bad. I only use floor stands that hold the bottom and support the bass right at the neckplate. Check out Proline F100E stands, they work for me.

Looking forward to the posts as my gameroom is getting crowded for floor space and Wifey thinks hanging them would be cool.


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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:36 pm
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The force of the strings is so great that the strain is on the neck (if any) from gravity is negligible. Also the fact that you can hang a bass or guitar and it still plays in tune while hung leads me to believe that it's not having much effect.

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:59 pm
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Thanks for your response.


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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:51 pm
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I am curious as to what brotherdave's take on this will be.

I have always used a floorstand. I have read that the foam rubber, specifically the chemicals in the foam rubber, which the body rests upon is not the ideal situation. It can "eat" away at certain finishes, such as nitro. My Highway One P-bass has been sitting in its stand, when not in use, for the last year and a half, and I can see no visible damage.
Likewise, I have read that hanging them by the headstock can put unwanted strain on the neck.

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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:02 am
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Z man. In my opinion even the best stands are only for short term use. The proper place for an instrument when not in use for a while is in the case or gigbag. When in the open air the instrument becomes a dust magnet and is usually exposed to at least some natural light.

I think that dust buildup on the strings shortens their life as the dust works into the strings windings and is trapped there by finger oils reducing string responsiveness and leading to shortened string life. This explains why boiling strings works, it loosens the accumulated dust and some of the accumulated oils which came from your fingers and floats it out of the windings.

Any dust and even humidity that manages to find its way into the pots can cause scratchy noises. (You should never boil your pots though. LOL!)

Sunlight fades not only the finish but also causes rosewood fingerboards to dry out quicker requiring more frequent oiling and causes celluloid to age faster. It can also lead to premature adhesion issues with inlays and dot markers that fall out.

Early guitar stands used surgical latex for the padding on neck yokes and the body cradle. After several years it was found that constant contact with the latex was causing a problem I call "latex burn" which is a discoloration where the latex contacted the finish over several years time. Almost as soon as the finish problems started being reported the stand manufacturers switched to less reactive materials. This all happened years ago. I've not heard of any finish problems except with the early latex. This latex is a yellowish tan color that gets more tan with age. If you see any on eBay or at a garage sale, steer clear.

Many guitar shops hang all of their guitars except a few that are featured on floor stands. I agree that the string tension on the neck is so great that the 8 to 12 lbs of instrument weight pulling the other way isn't going to make any difference whatsoever. The biggest worry with hanging them is...mean old Mr. Gravity. Each cradle should be anchored into the wall, not just screwed in. You must be very sure-handed removing and replacing the instrument from a hanging cradle. You probably won't get a second chance.

Worst case hanging guitar scenarios. One that falls from the top row also trashes 2 or even 3 on the bottom row. Owww. Drunken drummer trips over an amp cable falls against one hanging guitar causing a chain reaction pile up of basses. Ever had any earthquakes in your area? Then I surely wouldn't hang them. Even if they don't fall out of the yoke they could sway back and forth and beat each other up.

I use the On-Stage brand "FLIP-IT" variety floor stands. Probably the safest stand out there. I've looked at the Hercules hanging stands and while they are very nice and sturdy the gravity factor just make me nervous, so I'm sticking with stands that have the body cradle. It just looks safer. The body cradle type stands are more cumbersome to transport, but I think it is worth the hassle.


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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:06 am
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Where would we be without Brother Dave? I am sincere in that too. I always felt the best place was in a case but I play every day and usually play at least two of them, often times three. Yeah, I'm too lazy to pack and unpack. They do look great when the lights come on.

Thanks again Brother Dave. Thump on!


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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:10 am
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I leave them in the stands for convience, I can grab what I want when I want it and play what I want. If I left them in the case, I would suck even more than I do now with them out because I would be to lazy to pull them out. Actually the wife has suggested hanging them, but I think that would be someting else to rattle when "I'm in the mood for some serious thump".

Thanks brotherdave for your always important, and needed, input.


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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:54 pm
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To each his own. Yeah the vibrations from playing real loudly creates enough rattles around here as it is. Straightening all the pictures takes a while. LOL


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Post subject: Re: To hang or not to hang
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:20 pm
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oxfan wrote:
I've been of the opinion for so long (that I can't even remember) that hanging a bass by the neck is bad. ....

I use the stands that allow the instrument to hang freely by the neck for all my basses and guitars; specifically, Hercules and Ultimate stands.


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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:14 pm
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I don't think polyurethane finishes are hurt by rubber stands, but nitrocellulose finishes certainly are.

I agree with Dave that the case is the safest place, however. My good basses are almost always put away in their cases when not being played. Sure it's a hassle to remove them but it only takes a few seconds and that's okay.


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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:22 pm
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I should start putting them in the case, the stand just let all the dust stick to the basses...cases are in my bedroom upstairs under the bed tho...hahaha, I know, such a lazy arse :lol:

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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:49 am
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PowerJazzBass wrote:
I should start putting them in the case, the stand just let all the dust stick to the basses...cases are in my bedroom upstairs under the bed tho...hahaha, I know, such a lazy arse :lol:


What's the fun in that? Wife can't complain when everything is neat and in order, besides, which of us doesn't feel more comfortable in a bit of chaos?


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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:44 am
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Mine are 50/50 in cases/on floor stands.
However, the floor stands I use (came free with Elixir strings) are space minimal. Gig-wise, I use a large Hercules Auto-Grab, so it hangs. These are also nitro-safe, by the way.
I have no preferrence for either method, and cannot see that such a thing would have any detrimental effect. Hence, guitar stores and workshops use 'em, otherwise they'd have no space!

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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:28 pm
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Aside from the neck issues,It may damage your guitar finish if you're hanging it on a wall.your room temperature maybe or could be different to the temperature of the wall at times.different temperatures on wall and on your room makes the back part sticking on the wall prone to cracking or forming bubbles(depends on the weather and climate and whether its a cement or wood but cement absorbs heat slower and gets cold faster)


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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:42 pm
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I've been hanging my Precision for a long time....it stays in perfect tune...I've found no problems what so ever with a wall hanging plus it looks cool on a wall(if that matters to someone) LOL :D


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