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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:48 pm
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This is ridiculous. If you and anyone else want to discuss factual problems with Fender instruments, then you need to present factual evidence to bolster your case. Just saying that something is true in terms of value, depreciation or other opinions expressed as facts, leave you open to dispute and such dispute is called healthy discussion. Discussion is good and it is what this board should be about. It is how everyone learns new facts and information from a variety of sources.

My saying that something is a disservice is my opinion backed up by the fact that no one can know the market value of any given instrument in all of the local markets around the world. That is a fact. This is a global forum. If you want to express an opinion, please feel free to do so but don't be upset if I disagree with your opinon. Such disagreement is not to be construed as an insult. I have not resorted to insults in any post.

It is not insulting and there is never a need for apologies in regards to discussion as long as you don't resort to insults directed at any other person. I had insults directed at me. I was told that I was nuts, to take a chill pill and that my brain was in neutral and then the other person when called on it, gave me a back handed apology and then proceeds to take a month to reply and again imply that I maligned his intergrity because of htis notion that the picture cited was a Precision bass and not a Lead I guitar.

I have only pointed out the factual error is assuming that the cracked finish depicted in the picture could occur on a 1982 Precision Special. It could not.
The fact that the bass is a 1988 Precision is irrelevant, it is a water based finish that was never used on the '82 Fender instruments. That is a fact and it should help any reading this post to know another fact about the 82 P-bass Specials.

If I cannot express my opinions freely on this board than I will go else where. I refuse to be badgered, insulted and bullied into conforming to a ridiculous notion of propriety that doesn't help anyone to learn anything new.

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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:50 am
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Repeating that I posted a misleading photo over and over is needling. The initial contention that the photograph I posted was misleading is ultimately unfounded as I shall address merely by answering B.C. Bassman’s questions on his last post.
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Hey Dave, I don't see where I needled you, but lets explain something.
The finish that was on that 1988 Precision bass in the picture was never used on a 1982 Fender Precision Special.
Can we agree on that?

I never said the photo was an 82 P-Special. So no, we do not agree on that. I said it was a bass. I never even said it was a Fender, even though it is.
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So, therefore, it is misleading to use a picture of a bass finish that is not applicable to the instrument in question.
Can we agree on that point, too?

Again no. Just before I posted that photo the topic was broadened to encompass “any Fender” here:
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Don't refinish any Fender if you care about its value. A refin always drastically cuts the value of your instrument.

At this point the discussion was opened up to “any Fender” by the sweeping general statement covering the entire brand. My next post addressed specifically the preceding post relating to all Fenders. I posted a photo to show an example of a bass that would probably be a good refinish candidate. Posting the photo was not misleading and only illustrative that some basses obviously should be refinished. There was nothing misleading about doing that.
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I never said that he pictured instrument was a Fender Lead I or II guitar, as if that matter.

Something very much like that was said.
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Dave posted a picture of the water based finishes used by Fender in the eighties on the LeadI and Lead II guitars that had horrendous problems but these finishes were never used on Precision Specials in 1982.
That was mis-leading IMO.

Once I explain that it is a Fender P-Bass and not a Lead model guitar then what he said before doesn’t matter.
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I am of the opinion that you should qualify your estimates of devaluations of basses and guitars after they are refinished.

The figures I quoted were current market value at the time of the post in the USA based on model specific online research and observations at regional guitar shows including the most recent Carolinas and Chicago shows of two stock and three professionally refinished examples. I didn’t just pull them out of a hat.
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I have not resorted to insults in any post.

Really?
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“…you are sounding threatened in your psuedo position of authority on this board.”

After that post I say I am sorry four times in my post of 1 July at 19:59 with a genuine heartfelt apology. Then this morning I see this:
BCbassman wrote:
…back handed apology…

Really?
I was going to just let this next part of the thread slide. However in light of the negativity in which my last comment was received and knowing now that my apology was not genuinely accepted, I feel compelled to clarify another objection I have with how what I posted was twisted in this thread. There have been statements that I recommended a color change to Candy Apple Red. From my point of view of what actually transpired is this. I had a photo of one in C.A.R. and so I posted it. What I really said when I posted that photo was, “I think the all gold hardware with the Candy Apple Red looks amazing on these.” What was heard was something like, “I recommend you paint this guitar in Candy Apple Red.” If the owner decided to paint it I said to keep it original or use one of the other period correct colors. I just personally happen to like C.A.R. a lot. That was twisted into a recommendation that the owner should paint it C.A.R. when I actually never said that at all. Read exactly what I said and you’ll see it was not a recommendation at all. Failing to clarify that misinterpretation immediately was another mistake on my part.


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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:22 pm
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zod wrote:
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Zod I was trying not to show mine...but maybe you are right...and I did. But I tried to keep it unemotional and factual. Just wanted to clear some things up.

Also thanks Zod for finding a photo of someone uglier than even me! That wasn't easy I'm sure.


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zod wrote:
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Zod I was trying not to show mine...but maybe you are right...and I did. But I tried to keep it unemotional and factual. Just wanted to clear some things up.

Also thanks Zod for finding a photo of someone uglier than even me! That wasn't easy I'm sure.

The "shot" is not directed at anyone, just trying to lighten this thread up, that's all. Being my idiot self.
You both are great guys.


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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:49 pm
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Right....But how do you really feel?


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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:39 am
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I wish those that posted the picture of the fat guy showing his $@! would delete the picture.
I don't find it funny.

I stand by what I said in my earlier posts.

If saying brotherdave is threatened in his pseudo position of authority is an insult, than I apologize to him.

I think we got off on a lot of meaningless attacks that didn't help anyone.

I would like to move on.

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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:22 pm
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Hello all. I've just acquired a Walnut P Bass from 1982 with a "CD" serial number. She's got a very light body, no traces of a "burst" type of stain as Brotherdave mentioned becoming common practice in later models.

I've included two photo's of her.

Body:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2569/417 ... 6301_b.jpg

Full View:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2608/417 ... 9e54_b.jpg

On my other '82 Walnut Bass, the bridge is stamped "Fender" however on this lighter one, there's no long. Same bridge style, sans a logo, though.

Bridge:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2567/417 ... 540d_b.jpg

"Other" Bridge:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2719/417 ... edfc_b.jpg

Any help anyone could provide would be appreciated and thank you for your time.


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Yurei, Welcome to the forum!

I advise you to make a new thread if you'd like your post to get noticed.


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Thank you & I'll get on that tomorrow, as right now, this old man's dead tired from playing that new P Bass!


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Post subject: Re: Fender P Bass Special
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:27 pm
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I had a red '80 Precision Special with gold hardware, just like the ad. I wish I held on to it. it was a great playing and sounding bass.

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Post subject: 1982 P-Special. excellent condition.Just like in your pic.Wo
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:18 am
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I have a 1982 Precision Special exactly like the one in the pic advertisement you have posted in excellent condition. Candy Apple Red with all 22k gold plating with the original tweed case. I am the sole owner. What is this guitar worth for sale today?
brotherdave wrote:
Refinish if it really would make you happier and you have no plans to sell. If you are playing it out of course you want a good looking bass. Keep in mind that refinishing negatively effects collector value. However this has less impact on a 1982 bass than on a 1962 bass.

If you do decide on the refinish route, then you can click the link in my signature below and you can find many top refinishing shops on the MAJOR REPAIR & REFINISHING page. Maybe one will be close to you. If it was me, I'd go with nitrocellulose lacquer in the original color or one of the colors previously mentioned as originally specified.

You can usually save $100 to $150 by stripping it yourself. Stripping is fairly labor intensive so many shops charge extra for stripping.

I think the all gold hardware with the Candy Apple Red looks amazing on these as below:
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Post subject: Re: Fender P Bass Special
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:57 pm
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The "Rocco" Bass looked similar except the jack is side-mounted, there's no active/passive switch and the split-coil humbucking pickup is reversed. It also sported black Jazz Bass knobs and a 3-ply black guard (Francis' own bass had a 3-ply parchment).

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This model was made in 1998 and discontinued the following year.

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Post subject: Re: Fender P Bass Special
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:47 pm
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After all of this I thought that I would show you a picture of my 1980 Precision Special:

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I have fun playing it.


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