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I play my Ampeg SVT-CL through two single 15" cabs most of the time and dig the tone. It's old school tone, deep and fat. I suspect you'd be fine with the two Fender cabs. You may also want to look at the new Fender Pro 215.


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Check out your stores, I found a ampeg cab scretch&dent for $425 (600watts at I think 4ohms) would have bought it I was $125 too short and I couldn't find a head for under $900

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Arctic Bass wrote:
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I play my Ampeg SVT-CL through two single 15" cabs most of the time and dig the tone. It's old school tone, deep and fat. I suspect you'd be fine with the two Fender cabs. You may also want to look at the new Fender Pro 215.


Yeah, that 215 looks fantastic... however, I was thinking that two separate cabinets would be better - keep one cab hooked up for practice and smaller shows, and bring along two for larger endeavors.

Glad to hear that two 15's give you the sound you're looking for - with that Ampeg, I bet it you can really groove. What kind of basses do you tend to use when playing with that setup?
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Well the bass I think sounds best through it is my Rickenbacker. But I play my Fender Ps and Js through it too. It's a nice rig.


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Arctic Bass wrote:
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Check out your stores, I found a ampeg cab scretch&dent for $425 (600watts at I think 4ohms) would have bought it I was $125 too short and I couldn't find a head for under $900

So keep looking!!!


Yeah I though about trying another manufacturer's 115 along with the Fender, but it just didn't happen. What other 115's (aside from Fender's) and 112's would you suggest checking out? (Keeping in the mind the Bassman head is rated 250 watts)


Check out Epifani cabs, they're really good.


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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:24 pm
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I just bought a Bassman 250 Head to match up with my bass arsenal. Main Bass - American Standard Precision but I also have an American Jazz and a Stingray 5. I am in the process of looking for cabs for this head. I tried the Bassman 115 and really liked the tone - it's perfect for the roots, classic, country rock that I play.

I was thinking of getting a pair of Bassman 115's, but I haven't found a place with two in stock to demo (usually there is a 410 and 115 stack).

Can anyone see a problem with a 250 Head and a pair of Bassman 115s? I think it would be P Bass heaven!

Any other suggestions for cabs (I was also looking at a pair of another manufacturer's 112's as an alternative).

Appreciate your feedback.


I definitely see a potential problem of underpowering using a stacked pair of about any modern speakers with a 250 watt head. You'd be better off to use one 4 ohm speaker cab.

I'm a 15 inch fiend and will probably always have a 15 in my stack. At one time I was using a pair of Ampeg 2X15 cabs for a total of four 15's. But you have to understand that this was 1972 and each of these CTS 15's was rated 75 watts so the SVT CL never struggled. Speakers today have much higher power capacity as the technology has progressed. I've been using a 2x10 on top of a 1x15 to get more punch in recent years. The 450 watt Ampeg head I use most of the time is marginally adequate for this stack. My current 15 inch cab handles more power safely than the 4x15 Ampeg twin cab array I used way back when in the golden days of yesteryear.

I think the concept of stacking 15's is a good one if you have a power amp that can push more than one cab. That would be about 500 to 800 watts in the case of the Fender Bassman 1x15. I don't think that 250 watts is enough power to justify buying and more importantly, dragging a second cab all over the place.

You'd be better off to use just one 4 ohm 15 inch cab because you'd be maximizing your power output and not underpowering the cab so much. You would also be reducing the risk of clipping from overdriving the amp. And here are the really big factors, you would also only have to buy one cab and you would only have to move one cab.

In my experience more bass speakers are damaged from underpowering than from overpowering. You turn your amp up louder to push two cabs and then the signal begins clipping and this square wave clipping is what damages the speakers. On most amps once you get past about 1 or 2 o'clock on the master you are near the limit of your clean power anyway. I try to stay around 12 o'clock and never ever (even outdoors) go past 2 o'clock on the master. I know better than to do that on a bass amp.

The problem for you is where to find a 4 ohm single 15 inch cab since Fender doesn't make one. Maybe you can custom order a Fender Bassman 1x15 in 4 ohms and it wouldn't hurt to ask a dealer, but I don't see that option on the spec sheet. You would probably need to buy the first 8 Ohm Fender 115 you find, and also buy and install a 4 ohm 15 in place of it. All you'll need is a screwdriver. This will be cheaper and more efficient all around than buying two cabs.

I don't think you'll have much trouble finding a 4 ohm 15 because so many people are using them, but if you do visit the BD Resources website in my signature here and check the Custom Speaker Cab category for Dr. Bass. They sell 4 ohm 15's for sure. Swapping out the speaker might be the best possible solution aside from buying another brand of cab. Keep that original 8 ohm speaker for the day when you buy a more powerful amp and then put it back in to use with a second 8 ohm cab to get back to a 4 ohm load with the bigger amp. Just keep it stored in climate controlled conditions, maybe on the top shelf of an interior closet which is where I keep my unmounted speakers. .


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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:31 pm
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So any questions about how to change out the speaker, I'll be glad to help.


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:D Hey AB, i run P and a J bass thru my system. I use a bassman 250/115 combo $@! my master amp with two fender 115 cabs a slaves. I power the slaves with a 1200 watt pa head using the direct out from the main amp. This gives me the ability to play anything from a small room to a major hall and not loose that pretty pure bass sound. Also it's kind of fun to be able to blow out windows and shake walls with the full system set-up.The sound is pure old school power but by just changing the eq on the master amp I can play anything modern. Think about this option.


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:D Hey AB, i run P and a J bass thru my system. I use a bassman 250/115 combo $@! my master amp with two fender 115 cabs a slaves. I power the slaves with a 1200 watt pa head using the direct out from the main amp. This gives me the ability to play anything from a small room to a major hall and not loose that pretty pure bass sound. Also it's kind of fun to be able to blow out windows and shake walls with the full system set-up.The sound is pure old school power but by just changing the eq on the master amp I can play anything modern. Think about this option.


That arrangement would also work with just a power amp, like a huge Crown power amp for example. It would not have to be a PA head. That is going to be a huge bunch of stuff to move too, so keep that in mind. I'm trying to simplify and get smaller, lighter and quicker.


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When using these “Program Power” rated speakers consider your amp to be twice as powerful as it states in RMS. So actually that Traynor 112 cab would work fine with the amp because the very most that amp will give you using one of those cabs is about 125 watts RMS into the 8 ohm load which is just under the 150 watt RMS capability of the cabinet so you have a little headroom there. When you stack two of these cabs for 4 ohm load your amp will deliver all 250 watts RMS to a speaker stack that can probably take 300 RMS. That is a pretty good match up but it still doesn’t mean you can push the amp into clipping without risking some damage.

This article explains it better than I can: http://www.prestonelectronics.com/audio/Speakers.htm

The main thing to consider is the RMS speaker rating is usually HALF the Program Power.

I still like the idea of buying a Fender 15 inch cab and swapping out the stock 8 ohm speaker for the 300 watt RMS Eminence Neo 4 ohm “Basslite” which goes for about $115. That one speaker would get it done. I have one and I like it. You would be in great shape and have an all Fender rig.

It isn’t as economical to swap out speakers in the Trayor 12 inch cab because there are not many 4 ohm 12 inch bass speakers. The Beyma 12 inch 4 ohm bass speaker is like $250.


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Arctic Bass wrote:
Hey BrotherDave,

Thanks for all the info on cabs - I also enjoyed some of the links posted on your site.

A few days ago, I was doing some online searches for 4ohm 115's rated at 300 watts or less. What do you think of the Marshall MBC115...


I love Marshall products, the British made ones. This cab is pretty heavy, a little over 70 lbs. It has a horn, it is 4 ohms. It would match well with your head. You are probably going to wish it wasn't so heavy. Would be a good club cab for sure. Marshall bass tone is renowned as one of the signature tones.

I suggest looking at Dr. Bass link on my resource page as well. They will construct a 4 ohm 15 inch cab for you for about the same price as the Marshall and it will be much lighter and made in the USA. The link is in my signature below.

Also sometimes you can find an Avatar 15 used on eBay. Avatar no longer makes a 15. They are rarely 4 ohms though because most people stack two 8 ohm cabs to get to 4 ohms. Both Avatar and Dr. Bass make some very lightweight and durable cabs.


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