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Post subject: What amp d u use wd ur p bass?
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:37 pm
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Hey guys!
Just wonder what r ur amps n cabs?
Does it play well wd ur pbass?
I play my pbass on gallien krueger 700rbII n neo 212 n they sound ridiculously sweet!
Feel like a pro everytym i play it.
Please share! Tnx! :)


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at home i use crappy ibanes sw20, when i play with my band - depends on the place we play at, sometimes it's hughes and kettler, sometimes fender rumble.. but i wish one day i have ampeg svt4 pro...


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Post subject: Ampeg, Avatar & Line 6
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:22 pm
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I use a Line 6 Studio 110 for rehearsals, I also use it for home practice and recording through a small mic mixer into the computer which drives headphones so I don't make my family any more nuts than they already are. I turn down the master to zero so the speaker is silent. It works great for that. I bought a Behringer BDI21 amp simulator thingy, but the Line 6 works great so I guess I ought to sell the BDI121.

For gigs I use either an Ampeg B2RE or Ampeg SVT3Pro into Avatar 2x10 and 1x15 cabs. Avatar has discontinued the 1x15 which is a pity because that is a really light 15 inch cab. I love the Avatar 1x15. The Avatar stack replaced a much heavier Ampeg cab. I don't miss it either. I basically just need to hear myself as the bass runs into the PA anyway.

My next speaker cabs will be DR. BASS with that monster Carvin B1500 amp or a MarkBass 800 on top. I'm not buying a Chinese made amp or cab if I can help it. I've played a Carvin B1500 & Dr. Bass stack that belongs to another player and that match up is totally golden. I like the light weight of the MarkBass but the Carvin has way more power, costs less and is made in the USA. There is about 30 pounds difference between them. That is a lot of weight and the older you get the more that matters.

I also really like the Fender Bassman 300 but at 75 pounds it is too heavy for an old geezer like me, but it is one heck of an amp for sure. I like it better than the SVT Classic I used to have because it sounds cleaner and has more bark. It also seems to run cooler to me.


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Post subject: Re: Ampeg, Avatar & Line 6
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:19 pm
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I use a Line 6 Studio 110 for rehearsals, I also use it for home practice and recording through a small mic mixer into the computer which drives headphones so I don't make my family any more nuts than they already are. I turn down the master to zero so the speaker is silent. It works great for that. I bought a Behringer BDI21 amp simulator thingy, but the Line 6 works great so I guess I ought to sell the BDI121.

For gigs I use either an Ampeg B2RE or Ampeg SVT3Pro into Avatar 2x10 and 1x15 cabs. Avatar has discontinued the 1x15 which is a pity because that is a really light 15 inch cab. I love the Avatar 1x15. The Avatar stack replaced a much heavier Ampeg cab. I don't miss it either. I basically just need to hear myself as the bass runs into the PA anyway.

My next speaker cabs will be DR. BASS with that monster Carvin B1500 amp or a MarkBass 800 on top. I'm not buying a Chinese made amp or cab if I can help it. I've played a Carvin B1500 & Dr. Bass stack that belongs to another player and that match up is totally golden. I like the light weight of the MarkBass but the Carvin has way more power, costs less and is made in the USA. There is about 30 pounds difference between them. That is a lot of weight and the older you get the more that matters.

I also really like the Fender Bassman 300 but at 75 pounds it is too heavy for an old geezer like me, but it is one heck of an amp for sure. I like it better than the SVT Classic I used to have because it sounds cleaner and has more bark. It also seems to run cooler to me.


I've been wondering about those Bassman 300 tube amps. I've played through an Ampeg SVT-CL for a few years and dig it but the guys who play those 300s really speak well of them. I may have to bite the bullet and just grab one someday. When you say the tone is "cleaner" and "has more bark" can you describe it further?


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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:20 am
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I play thru an ampeg b5r head and a 410 hlf cab. I've been thinking of going the 210 and 115 route. How's that realy sound. I'm also debating on the old ampeg 110/115 cab.


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Post subject: Bassman Vs. Classic
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:16 am
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Mastermold wrote:

I've been wondering about those Bassman 300 tube amps. I've played through an Ampeg SVT-CL for a few years and dig it but the guys who play those 300s really speak well of them. I may have to bite the bullet and just grab one someday. When you say the tone is "cleaner" and "has more bark" can you describe it further?


The Fender has more modern and straightforward tone control setup. I was able to get both the modern fusion sound plus the round vintage type with it at ANY VOLUME SETTING. I was astounded. I really expected it to sound and behave like the SVT Classic and it WILL if you set it up that way but it has way more versatility.

With the Classic there is an awful lot of fiddling around with the rotary MIDRANGE STYLE switch, ultra high/low switches, the 3 tone controls and you still may or may not find your tone depending on the venue such as indoors versus outdoors. At least that was always my experience with my Classic back in the 70's & 80's moving from indoors to outdoors and back indoors was always a treasure hunt to get the head reset. The Fender has a graphic EQ and a really good tone circuit in the preamp. I think the Bassman preamp sounds way more modern and less fuzzy until you tone the mids down and boost everything below 1000 and then it starts to thicken up. Yes there are also boost switches for high and low on the Fender, but with the wider range of tone control on the graphic EQ you may not even need them. ALSO equally important the Fender has a BUILT IN, adjustable and switchable two-band compressor. The Fender has two preamp channels which are also selectable from the footwitch. Also the footswitch will cut the compressor on and off and turn the EQ on and off. You can set up one channel for solos and the other for everything else which I couldn't do with my Classic. It isn't any LOUDER or more powerful but the tone is much more easily and intuitively controllable and far more versatile.

These features, especially the better EQ section in the preamp, coupled with a really good compressor circuit make the Bassman 300 a far more versatile choice. If I was going to buy a tube head it would definitely be the Bassman 300 over the Classic. No contest.

My criticisms of the Bassman 300, which are few, should also be mentioned: 1. The inescapable weight of a tube amp (but still I think it is a tad lighter than the Classic.) As I recall the Fender is way better ventilated which may be part of the weight reduction and it also has 1 less tube in the pre, I forget which tube, but there is one less in there. 2. The speaker output jack is a standard phone plug and I prefer the Speak-On style for high power applications. That isn't a deal breaker. 3. No ground lift or audio taper on the direct out. Of course item 2 & 3 could have been upgraded on newer models. The one I tried was at least two years old and was on top of two SWR cabs. The tone circuit is thoroughly modern, but the direct-out XLR and phone jack seemed like an afterthought.

Yes this is the same amp as the SUNN 300T re-branded Fender Bassman. Same everything.


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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:07 am
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elbeau wrote:
I play thru an ampeg b5r head and a 410 hlf cab. I've been thinking of going the 210 and 115 route. How's that realy sound. I'm also debating on the old ampeg 110/115 cab.


The 410HLF is my favorite Ampeg cab. I would still have one if size and weight were not in the equation. It has a more lush tone than the other Ampeg 410's except for the PRO 410 which I never owned. The deal is I simply can't use bulky heavy cabs any more. I can wrangle help at gigs but loading and unloading at home is a different story. I also gave my pickup truck to my son to drive and he promptly removed the camper top, so whatever I use has to fit in my car which means a stack of smallish boxes, and I have to be able to carry it up the front steps, nine of them.

My first bass amp was a Gibson Atlas combo with a 1x15. My first Ampeg cabs were a pair of 2x15's. That's right 4-15's with a SVT. So, I love 15's. With the HLF I could get a lot of the 15 type umph.

The only way to get that 15 tone in a small light cab was to go with a Neo 15. The 2x10 cab gives more projection and definition than the 15. My 2x10 cab is ceramic Deltas and will take 700 watts, but it is way heavier than the 1x15 Neo cab. It seems twice as heavy as the NEO 1x15. I really don't want anything heavier than that 2x10 cab at all. In addition to discontinuing the 15 cab Avatar also now puts NEOS in everything, so the power rating on their 2x10 dropped to 500 watts I think it is, but on the plus side they are way lighter.

The 1x15 on the bottom with a 2x10 on top is probably the most common compact stack. It is perfectly good for about anything unaided except outdoor events where you really will want a PA direct out with subs in the PA array. At outdoor gigs my current stack is little more than a stage monitor. I've never used the Ampeg combination cabs so I can't comment on them. An 8x10 and even the really heavy 4x10 HLF is now out of the question for me. If it won't fit in my car and if I can't carry it up the front steps all by myself then I can't use it no matter how good it sounds. So you make compromises.


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I play with a Yorkville Bassmaster 800 head and a Basson B15B cab with a Carvin 600 watt 4ohm heavy duty cast frame speaker installed.
The Yorkville is built like a tank, has plenty of tonal controls and lots of power (800 watts at 4 ohms).
The Basson is great but the speaker left something to be desired when i went to the bigger Yorkville. I have always like Carvin speakers and went with the 4ohm to get the most out of the amp.
2 years and over 175 shows later, the combo has never let me down. I just re-tubed it the other day and it's ready for another 175.

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Post subject: Re: Bassman Vs. Classic
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:26 pm
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brotherdave wrote:
Mastermold wrote:

I've been wondering about those Bassman 300 tube amps. I've played through an Ampeg SVT-CL for a few years and dig it but the guys who play those 300s really speak well of them. I may have to bite the bullet and just grab one someday. When you say the tone is "cleaner" and "has more bark" can you describe it further?


The Fender has more modern and straightforward tone control setup. I was able to get both the modern fusion sound plus the round vintage type with it at ANY VOLUME SETTING. I was astounded. I really expected it to sound and behave like the SVT Classic and it WILL if you set it up that way but it has way more versatility.

With the Classic there is an awful lot of fiddling around with the rotary MIDRANGE STYLE switch, ultra high/low switches, the 3 tone controls and you still may or may not find your tone depending on the venue such as indoors versus outdoors. At least that was always my experience with my Classic back in the 70's & 80's moving from indoors to outdoors and back indoors was always a treasure hunt to get the head reset. The Fender has a graphic EQ and a really good tone circuit in the preamp. I think the Bassman preamp sounds way more modern and less fuzzy until you tone the mids down and boost everything below 1000 and then it starts to thicken up. Yes there are also boost switches for high and low on the Fender, but with the wider range of tone control on the graphic EQ you may not even need them. ALSO equally important the Fender has a BUILT IN, adjustable and switchable two-band compressor. The Fender has two preamp channels which are also selectable from the footwitch. Also the footswitch will cut the compressor on and off and turn the EQ on and off. You can set up one channel for solos and the other for everything else which I couldn't do with my Classic. It isn't any LOUDER or more powerful but the tone is much more easily and intuitively controllable and far more versatile.

These features, especially the better EQ section in the preamp, coupled with a really good compressor circuit make the Bassman 300 a far more versatile choice. If I was going to buy a tube head it would definitely be the Bassman 300 over the Classic. No contest.

My criticisms of the Bassman 300, which are few, should also be mentioned: 1. The inescapable weight of a tube amp (but still I think it is a tad lighter than the Classic.) As I recall the Fender is way better ventilated which may be part of the weight reduction and it also has 1 less tube in the pre, I forget which tube, but there is one less in there. 2. The speaker output jack is a standard phone plug and I prefer the Speak-On style for high power applications. That isn't a deal breaker. 3. No ground lift or audio taper on the direct out. Of course item 2 & 3 could have been upgraded on newer models. The one I tried was at least two years old and was on top of two SWR cabs. The tone circuit is thoroughly modern, but the direct-out XLR and phone jack seemed like an afterthought.

Yes this is the same amp as the SUNN 300T re-branded Fender Bassman. Same everything.


Thanks for the great review, Dave! My next amp I was thinking might have been a Genz Benz (dig the light weight) but now I'm thinking about another heavy tube amp! I checked the price on these 300s and they're not cheap but a little less than the SVT so that's cool. I'll let you know if I grab one.


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Here is the system I use with my Sadowsky basses and Fender Basses.

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That's the Genz Benz head I've been looking at. How do you like it?


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Mastermold wrote:
That's the Genz Benz head I've been looking at. How do you like it?


I love it! It has the power I need, very simple EQ section (which I like), very usable tone shaping section and fits into my gig bag!

But the best is the simplicity of this amp. I was never a big fan of amps with multiple EQ sections and lots of eq controls. Keep It Simple....my motto!

Also it has a very solid feel, even the control knobs feel hi-grade. I like that is has a tube preamp section too.

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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:27 pm
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bassclef wrote:
Mastermold wrote:
That's the Genz Benz head I've been looking at. How do you like it?


I love it! It has the power I need, very simple EQ section (which I like), very usable tone shaping section and fits into my gig bag!

But the best is the simplicity of this amp. I was never a big fan of amps with multiple EQ sections and lots of eq controls. Keep It Simple....my motto!

Also it has a very solid feel, even the control knobs feel hi-grade. I like that is has a tube preamp section too.


Yeah that's how I feel about my Markbass LM II. Has tons of tone and enough power to fill a medium size venue without PA support and yet fits in my cord bag! The Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 has all the right things going for it IMO, including a reasonable price. Maybe I'll end up getting both the Fender 300 and one of these! :lol:


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hi, just switched from marshall mb range to ampeg svt450h & svt410hlf hope i made a good change! :D


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