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Post subject: Fender Mexico 60th Anniversary Standard Precision Bass
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:35 am
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Hi.

Im new to bass, and im thinking of buying a fender precision bass. But i find it defficult to find out what the difference between the different models are.

one i thought of buying is the "Fender Mexico 60th Anniversary Standard Precision Bass" becouse of the attractive price.

how is it compared to the American Standard P-BASS ?

I want a bass i can use for more than just a couple of years. i need to know if it will hold. and, of course, it has to sound good.

Peter


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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:21 am
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peter91 wrote:
Hi.

Im new to bass, and im thinking of buying a fender precision bass. But i find it defficult to find out what the difference between the different models are.

one i thought of buying is the "Fender Mexico 60th Anniversary Standard Precision Bass" becouse of the attractive price.

how is it compared to the American Standard P-BASS ?

I want a bass i can use for more than just a couple of years. i need to know if it will hold. and, of course, it has to sound good.

Peter

bro , welcome to the forum , all of the fender guitars i have played sounded good and felt like they would last a long time a long time their are subtle differences in models if there is a guitar store nearby and they will let you try them out do so and remember to pick her up like you really want to play her , hold her like you would your best girl to dance a rhumba , hold on tight , make some music !

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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:28 pm
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Thanks for the replies

I cant try the mexican bass right away. Its becouse the closest store that have it is like 400km away from where i live. But i have tried the amercan bass, and really liked it. The only thing is, it is very exspensive (also considering its the first time buying a bass). So what i am looking for is a bass wich playes and feels as much as possible as the american fender. The closest thing they had in the store was a squier precision bass vintage. It felt very good for the price. but i have heard that it has some issues with the tuner, and some other things...

The reason why i am interestet in the mexican bass is that it is a real fender, wich must mean that it is quality. and also that i can afford it.


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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:21 am
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well, here is a link to the bass mexican bass i thought of buying. http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aage.dk%2Fshoppingsystem%2Fvare.asp%3Fvarenr%3D34151&sl=da&tl=en&history_state0=da|en|

It costs 4000kr wich is 676.19$

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sorry i cant make it work as a link


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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:05 am
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I own a Squier 70's Modified P-Bass. I bought it, in spite of all the negative comments floating across various websites (not this one). Why? For me, this is one sweet bass! It has the right feel, the right sound, and the right look to suit my tastes and needs. In the end that is all that really matters.

As it has been said a thousand times, try out as many basses as you can, pick the ones you really like, then buy the one you can afford. If you can delay gratification, wait to buy the top of the line favorite. If you can't wait, then you will still go home happy. The one thing you should never do: buy a bass because someone else said you should. Unless, of course, you are going to listen to them play it for you.


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Kevmove wrote:
I own a Squier 70's Modified P-Bass. I bought it, in spite of all the negative comments floating across various websites (not this one)

I'm curious about where you have seen negative comments about the Vintage Modified series or even the Classic Vibe series?
All I have seen is nothing but praise and enthusiasm about them.


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Seems Squier has a lot of people who don't care for them. Look at Ultimate Guitar and the reviews on websites like Musician's Friend and Guitar Center. Lots of whiners.

My next bass will be a '70's Vintage Modified Jazz, I've played five so far and they've all been great.


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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:37 pm
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Zod, are you pulling my leg? Its the same "negative comments" about non American made Fenders that lead people to try to hide, paint over, "this is not my main bass, my other bass is a monster" because it is perceived that these less expensive instruments are not for real bass players. I even read a post (ON ANOTHER WEBSITE) where the poster said he didn't buy an expensive bass because he is a beginner, and shouldn't be playing the bass that pros use. Other posts made statements like, "I have a Squier, but I got lucky and found a good one."

For the record, I read post ON OTHER WEBSITES that complain about MIA being not as good as they use to be, too expensive, not worth the price increase, etc, etc, etc.

Maybe I should have left out the remark about negative comments, as it seems to have overshadowed the main point I was making, which is to pick the bass that suits you, and ignore everything else.


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Unfortunately when something is read in text, the reader has to presume how and what the poster is trying to convey.

You said that you have a Squier 70's Modified P-Bass, which I am presuming to be a Squier Vintage Modified P-bass, correct?
You said that you bought it despite all the negative comments, which I understood to be negative comments about the VM series.
I am not talking about a Squier Affinity or Standard, or even that Squier has had a less than stellar reputation previously. I have a Squier Affinity P-bass and IMO it is an "average bass indicative of its price". It has some good things and some bad things, but anyway.
The reviews from the owners of the VM P-bass that I have seen say that they "love their bass", "it's the best bang for the buck", "I can't believe it's a Squier", "This bass is awesome", "Squier has really upped their game", etc.
The reviews/posts/comments that I have seen come from TalkBass, Fender Forum, Harmony Central, Ultimate Guitar, and Musicians Friend(I honestly do not put alot of stock in MF/GC/SA reviews), among others. Yes there are a few people that have some gripes, but I would say that more than 90% of the reviews/comments are all praise for the Vintage Modified series. I focus mainly on TalkBass, and Fender Forum reviews. IMO These are bass players talking about the basses they play.

As with any mass-produced item, there will be alot of variation, so to speak, in the final product. Some good, some bad, and so on.

I am thinking about purchasing a VM P-bass actually. I like how it looks, and how it feels and sounds in my hands.

It's all good.


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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:20 am
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Zod, you just did what I stated usually happens: you segregated a particular product from its product line, alluding to the belief that this product line is not very good, but this one product is worth a look. You then closed with stating, "I'm thinking about getting on myself".

How many people are convinced to look at their prized possession like its a piece of crap because someone thought they were doing the world a favor by stating "oh those instruments are useless"?

I'm going to rant for a minute here. MOST of the people who make comments about other peoples instrument choices are no different than people who look down on someone because their clothes don't have the right label on it. Can anyone really make a valid case that learning to play bass (or any other instrument) on an inexpensive instrument is detrimental to future playing ability? Aren't scales played the same on a $100 instrument as on a $2000 instrument? Do the intervals change because their played on an instrument made in Indonesia? Does the person who doesn't have a point of reference know that their bass amp combo doesn't sound as good as a more expensive combo?

In my few years on this earth, one of my greatest joys is to watch young people play with all their heart. They come through my place of business with all manner of instruments. I check their gear out, but I quickly forget about the labels when I see that they are focused on making music and not on the tool they use to make music.

My advice is to take whatever you have and make the best music you can. The only people who care about the type of instrument you use are other musicians who envy the fact that you had the courage to play.


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In regard to the last two posts, well put!


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Kevmove wrote:
Zod, you just did what I stated usually happens: you segregated a particular product from its product line, alluding to the belief that this product line is not very good, but this one product is worth a look. You then closed with stating, "I'm thinking about getting on myself".

I was under the assumption that your statement about "negative comments" from your earlier post in this thread, was about the Vintage Modified series, since you had said that you owned one.
Kevmove wrote:
I own a Squier 70's Modified P-Bass. I bought it, in spite of all the negative comments floating across various websites (not this one)

I singled out that product because I was assuming that is what you were refering to. I was curious about where you had seen negative comments about the Vintage Modified series, or even the Classic Vibe series, as all I have seen was praise and enthusiasm for them. That's all.



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How many people are convinced to look at their prized possession like its a piece of crap because someone thought they were doing the world a favor by stating "oh those instruments are useless"?

If people are "convinced" by the things that they read on the internet, then that is their doing. Everyone has an opinion, and IMO the things that I read on the web are other peoples opinions. I buy things because I like or want them. Yes, I seek out reviews/advice/opinions, everyone does, but that doesn't mean that something is definately good or bad by the things that someone else says on the internet. I find out for myself, and if it doesn't turn out the way I want it to, lesson learned. I don't worry about what someone thinks about the things I have.

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I'm going to rant for a minute here. MOST of the people who make comments about other peoples instrument choices are no different than people who look down on someone because their clothes don't have the right label on it.

I hope that you are not calling me a gear snob. And if I have ever come across that way in a post, I apologize. It was not my intention. Things printed in text can lose their meaning.

Kevmove wrote:
Can anyone really make a valid case that learning to play bass (or any other instrument) on an inexpensive instrument is detrimental to future playing ability? Aren't scales played the same on a $100 instrument as on a $2000 instrument? Do the intervals change because their played on an instrument made in Indonesia? Does the person who doesn't have a point of reference know that their bass amp combo doesn't sound as good as a more expensive combo?

No to all. Does a $20 rod and reel combo catch fish just like a $500 combo?

Kevmove wrote:
In my few years on this earth, one of my greatest joys is to watch young people play with all their heart. They come through my place of business with all manner of instruments. I check their gear out, but I quickly forget about the labels when I see that they are focused on making music and not on the tool they use to make music.

I agree 100%.

It's all good though. We have similar, but different opinions.


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zod wrote:
Kevmove wrote:
I own a Squier 70's Modified P-Bass. I bought it, in spite of all the negative comments floating across various websites (not this one)

I'm curious about where you have seen negative comments about the Vintage Modified series or even the Classic Vibe series?
All I have seen is nothing but praise and enthusiasm about them.


same here they are execllant basses

i happen to own a 50s classic vibe p bass :)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mexico 60th Anniversary Standard Precision Bass
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:22 pm
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peter91 wrote:
Hi.

Im new to bass, and im thinking of buying a fender precision bass. But i find it defficult to find out what the difference between the different models are.

one i thought of buying is the "Fender Mexico 60th Anniversary Standard Precision Bass" becouse of the attractive price.

how is it compared to the American Standard P-BASS ?

I want a bass i can use for more than just a couple of years. i need to know if it will hold. and, of course, it has to sound good.

Peter


The player must connect emotionally with the instrument. It should be an extension of your being. I tend to connect with more basic instruments without a lot of knobs, bells and whistles. The ones with beefy necks and big slab bodies. It seems the fancier it is, the more distracted I become with the technology. If you don't connect at an emotional level then move on. When you connect you will just know it.

That being said, there are some differences between MIA and MIM. Select woods on the MIA see through finishes, more sophisticated neck reinforcement on the MIA necks. USA electronics and usually better quality hardware on the MIA issues. However both MIM and MIA P-basses are durable.

It used to be that MIA had better finishes, decals and such but Ensenada has gained some serious ground as the MIM finishes look great the past few years.

If you are an upgrade/mod fiend and you like changing out pickups, bridges, tuners and the like then the MIM is a good platform for these modifications because they probably will never have any collector value so you aren't ruining their value down the road. The MIM P-basses are good basic playable instruments as they come from the factory though.

A P-bass is not, and should not be, a complicated machine. There isn't a lot to go wrong beyond truss rod issues and those are often the fault of someone doing something they shouldn't. The fact that MIM basses from the first years of production show up on eBay today 22 years later should be a clue that MIM stuff holds up. The basses they make in Ensenada now are much better than the first few years too.

About the last thing I think about is where a bass was made. What matters to me is how it sounds and feels.

As far as the Squier quality debate goes, see paragraph one. If you connect with it and it suits you then you'd be nuts not to buy it and even crazier to part with it. After 40 years of playing I am to the point where I will play what feels right to me instead of what looks right to someone else. Fender makes great basses today, whether MIM, MIA or MIJ. All of them will be around for a long, long time.


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