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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:37 am
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as anubis would say...
Vintage ones, strong mids and high mids... and modern ones strong low mids.. :D
For Jazz, from what I've heard Custom 60's are those with grind and growl, and its a bit bigger than stock pickups though..

For P-Bass on the other hand depends on what neck and the type of vintage sound.. like for 50's Basslines would be a good choice or maybe Antiquity 57's, for Rosewood ones Fender Vintage's gotta be the best..

as for the comparison.. for 2009 models

US Standards vs. Highway Ones

Light Tuners vs. Standard Tuners (also the same as MIM's)
High Mass String Through Bridge vs BA II
Standard Controls vs. Ones with Greasebucket
Necks Equal Posiflex Reinforced
Pickguards:a variety Parchment, White, Tort vs Parchment
Amercans do have lots of color choices though plus an option for maple and rosewood fingerboards..

hmmm...


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one thing to remember, when the H1's first came out, the price diff was around $150, now, for what ever reason, the price diff is about $500 for a better bass (at least better than the 1st gen H1's...)


I remember when they first came out and yes there was not a lot of price difference between the two. Don't know what happened there other then an economics thing that would/could start a whole new thread LOL. Another point that I or someone else may have already made is the cool thing with Fender is at least they are one of the few( if not the only one) American company that is for the most part offering a domestically produced mid to low high priced bass/6-string guitar line. All of the other major guitar/bass producing companies have gone overseas with their mid-grade models.


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eyecandy wrote:
as anubis would say...
Vintage ones, strong mids and high mids... and modern ones strong low mids.. :D
For Jazz, from what I've heard Custom 60's are those with grind and growl, and its a bit bigger than stock pickups though..

For P-Bass on the other hand depends on what neck and the type of vintage sound.. like for 50's Basslines would be a good choice or maybe Antiquity 57's, for Rosewood ones Fender Vintage's gotta be the best..

as for the comparison.. for 2009 models

US Standards vs. Highway Ones

Light Tuners vs. Standard Tuners (also the same as MIM's)
High Mass String Through Bridge vs BA II
Standard Controls vs. Ones with Greasebucket
Necks Equal Posiflex Reinforced
Pickguards:a variety Parchment, White, Tort vs Parchment
Amercans do have lots of color choices though plus an option for maple and rosewood fingerboards..

hmmm...


That's a good breakdown between them. Just to add, the body/neck finishes are different between them. The Hw1 has a nitro finish on the whole instrument, whereas the Am. St. has a urethane finish on the body, a thin satin urethan on the back of the neck (not like the thick ones on the MIM and MIJs) and a gloss urethan on the front of the headstock or board if you have a maple fretboard (which is a great match with the satin back). I believe the rosewood board is also buffed, which makes it feel a little smoother.

The fretting on the Am. St. is technically better, but it's marginal. The bodies on the Am. St. also tend to be better quality.

As for the pickups, I couldn't agree more about the P pickups. The duncan antiquity 1's and duncan classic SPB-1's are based on the 57 pickup, which is warmer and less midrangy than the 60's model. For the 60's tone, the Fender Originals all the way, my personal favorite p pickups.


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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:35 pm
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I have one or the other. I bught it used and need to find out if its american standard or highway one. does anyone know?


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euscher wrote:
I have one or the other. I bught it used and need to find out if its american standard or highway one. does anyone know?

How could we possibly know what kind of bass it it that you have when you provided absolutely no information about it, other than you bought a used one. :?:


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zod wrote:
euscher wrote:
I have one or the other. I bught it used and need to find out if its american standard or highway one. does anyone know?

How could we possibly know what kind of bass it it that you have when you provided absolutely no information about it, other than you bought a used one. :?:
:D i checked the serial #s it was made in 2003 in Corona california. but thats all i could find out i still dont know if is highway one or american standard


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check the serial number its the best way..

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I've had my Highway for about 6 months and love the greasebucket tone knob. Pickups sound real nice too. Just something about the sound I like better than the standard.


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Can someone explain to me what you mean by the "greasebucket tone knob"? I'll be in the market for a Precision early next year and it will be either the American Standard or the Highway One. Reading this thread, looks like I'm leaning toward the Highway One.

So what's the greasebucket tone knob all about?

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Both the American Standard and Highway 1/One basses are MIA.
Since yours has dated to 2003, One definite way to tell is if you have a string-through body. If it is string-through, then it's an American Standard. If not, then it's a Highway 1.
The American Standard became the American Series in 2004 (IIRC) and the S-1 switch was introduced then on the volume pot. The switch allows you to switch the pick-ups between series and parallel. Useless on a P-Bass IMO. The American Standard was reintroduced in 2008.
The Highway 1 became the Highway One in late 2005 with a few upgrades to separate it more from the American Standard/Series line. 70's headstock logo, greasebucket tone circuit, BadAss II bridge, Graphite reinforcement rods in the neck, and a cheaper price.
Alot of argument on whether or not the Highway 1/Ones are truly MIA, but IMO the headstock is stamped MIA, so it's MIA.

More reading on Highway 1/One. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/search.ph ... id=4038434


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Can someone explain to me what you mean by the "greasebucket tone knob"? I'll be in the market for a Precision early next year and it will be either the American Standard or the Highway One. Reading this thread, looks like I'm leaning toward the Highway One.

So what's the greasebucket tone knob all about?


The greasebucket tone circuit rolls off the highs without adding (more) bass. I believe it is an additional cap and a resistor soldered on the tone pot.

More reading on greasebucket tone. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/search.ph ... id=4038345

FWIW I have an '06 Highway One P-Bass. I have since replaced all the wiring with "normal" tone and put original '62 pickups in. Strung with TI's. I love that bass. Only complaint is that it is on the heavy side.
I had an '02 and an '07 MIA P-Bass that I have sold. The Highway 1/Ones are a great value.

If I was to buy a bass now, it would definitely be an American Standard P-Bass. I have an '08 American Standard Jazz, and that thing is near perfect in every way. But you will not go wrong either way. You have to get these basses in your hands and play them. You gotta feel if the "bass" works for you.


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maybe you right


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what do you mean the only complaint is on the heavy side?

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what do you mean the only complaint is on the heavy side?

The weight of the bass is on the heavy side, at least to me it is. I have never weighed it, but I would guesstimate that it is around 9.5 - 10 pounds. It really gets to me after about 30 minutes or so of playing. My 2008 MIA Jazz is super-light, I would say somewhere in the 7's.


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cazksbass wrote:

Can someone explain to me what you mean by the "greasebucket tone knob"? I'll be in the market for a Precision early next year and it will be either the American Standard or the Highway One. Reading this thread, looks like I'm leaning toward the Highway One.

So what's the greasebucket tone knob all about?


I'm not a big fan of the Greasebucket tone circuit. I had a Highway One Jazz briefly. As mentioned it uses two tone caps and one resistor. I was going to give it a conventional tone circuit with one 0.05 capacitor but then the neck went wacky on it and I unloaded it pronto.

The Greasebucket diagram for P-Bass is here: http://support.fender.com/diagrams/basses/0111300B/SD0111300BPg2.pdf

The parts needed are one each:
0.100 microfarad 50V ceramic disc cap (diagram #14)
0.02 microfarad 50V ceramic disc cap (diagram #15)
4.7K ohm metal foil 1/4 watt resistor (diagram #16)

On a really BRIGHT instrument it would make more sense to tame the highs so aggressively. Say on an electric Mandolin. And this circuit sounds like it really does cut the upper mids even when the tone is wide open.

I honestly don't hear a conventional tone circuit boosting lows anyway. The Greasebucket circuit sounds really dark to me.

What the two caps and resistor do is effectively make the tone pot like a combination crossover/roll off of the highs and upper mids in one knob. It is a variable tone stack. AND rolled all the way off on this circuit is NOT really rolled all the way off, so there are still some upper mids getting through when it is turned all the way down. It isn't so much that it holds the bass down so much as the higher cap values makes it darker in the first place and secondly it doesn't let you roll off 100% the upper mids so a tiny bit of them are still in there. The Greasebucket circuit starts out pretty dark wide open to me and is one of the least effective and least responsive tone circuits I've used.


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