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Post subject: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:16 pm
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hey everybody!

i've got some problems with grounding, when i touch bridge everything is ok but when i dont - there goes some nasty sounds. so it must be it!

i looked everywhere except the bridge, is there a cable going from jack to bridge ?

only one thing that may be wrong i found, here's the pic : http://i40.tinypic.com/2ry3af7.jpg

help!


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:09 am
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Diagram ;

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... A_SISD.pdf

You write ;
" i looked everywhere except the bridge, is there a cable going from jack to bridge ? "

Answer yes and ...no ! There is a cable under the bridge to ground the bridge with all guitar ground . From the jack , there is one wire going to the ground too.

About your picture ; this look ok IMO
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What is the story of this Jaguar ?
Did you buy new ? Warranty ?
Did you buy second hand ?
You had always this hum or just since few days , weeks ?
Did it make same hum with other amp , cable , in other room ?
Check if you don't have cell phone , PC , halogen lamp , neon , electric motor near the guitar .
These may make noise.

PLEASE ANSWER TO THIS FIRST


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:20 am
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Yes there is green cable going from jack to neck swtich but he is not connected to the bridge as i can pull the cable from hole to hole with no problem.

Thank You for reply, so now i have to remove the bridge pickup and see what is going on there

thanks again!

ps: i just looked at the rest of Your anwser.

i bought it used, and the seller told me that everything was ok when he was sending.
i've checked everything and on different amps - problem stays the same.


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:03 am
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ty webb wrote:

i bought it used, and the seller told me that everything was ok when he was sending.
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You always must say that at first. It is not same for trouble shooting if a guitar was working well last week !!!!


You should have a wire under the bridge , between bridge and body, to ground the bridge to all guitar's ground .
Also some defective solder may do this hum .

Post some picture from under the pickgard . ma=ore than less


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:00 pm
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ok i've found that cable going to the bridge, thanks again :)

after christmas i will open this baby for sure to find the problem


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:46 pm
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ty webb wrote:
ok i've found that cable going to the bridge, thanks again :)

after christmas i will open this baby for sure to find the problem



Cable must made good contact .

Happy Christmas to you , see you after.


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:16 pm
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Yeah Ty, Stratele is spot on!!! If you have a multi meter, it would help to check the ground continuity through-out the guitar. All the switches, pickups, pots and jack need to have a reasonably low resistance in the ground circuit. Solder joints would be suspect, as Stratele mentioned. But it looks like the pots depend on a physical connection to the mounting plate, to achieve a ground. This just means, that there can be no oxidation between the pot, washer, and plate. JMO Art

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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:53 pm
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Not a Jag Special HH - but my brand new Blacktop Jaguar HH had a grounding issue - and it was especially bad at and near the toggle switch. Loud crackles and pops all around the switch and especially when touching it directly. Checking the web - it seemed others have had this same problem on that particular guitar - but no "fixes" were given other than the several people who bought new switches (StewMac) and that seemed to fix the problem.
I wanted to fix my existing switch though - as I didn't relish replacing a brand new switch. Removing the pickguard - I found an obvious ground wire coming out from under the chrome volume/tone pot cover with an eyelet on it - and it was screwed into the body of the guitar at the bottom of the wiring channel. I soldered a single wire to a metal washer large enough to fit over the shaft of the toggle switch - and then simply connected that wire to the grounded eyelet in the bottom of the route channel. I then placed the washer with the "new ground wire" attached to it over the whole toggle shaft - but under the pickguard where it is hidden from view. This left enough thread (sticking through the front of the pickguard) on the toggle shaft that the original single washer and nut still fit in place to secure the switch.
The new direct ground wire to the washer on the toggle switch shaft did the trick - and the crackling & popping noises at and near the toggle disappeared. The switch is now grounded properly and all it required was about 7-inches of wire and a metal washer. It does look a bit strange under the pickguard - but all is quiet.
Cheap, simple & effective - I am pretty sure this will fix all of the Blacktop HH Jags that exhibit this same toggle switch grounding problem......but I am not saying it is pretty.


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:06 pm
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I think it is the equivalent of organ rejection, :shock:

Humbuckers on a Jaguar? Frankenjag? :lol:

Fortunately you have good assistance here. (Takes off clown suit)

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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:41 am
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+1 hoytsanvan


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:46 pm
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My Blacktop had the same issue. Another fix was I used tin foil as a shield under pickguard and metal plate. This grounded it as well.


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:17 pm
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For Modwiz.............Yes I do understand that many traditional Jaguar and Jazzmaster enthusiasts are not too keen on the Blacktop Jag HH guitars - as they lack the essential switches and trem unit that defined these guitars. Add to that - the presence of two humbuckers and a Gibson-style bridge.......well, I can see it might seem a bit sacreligious.
But in defense of these guitars I have to say that for guitarists who grew up on Gibson-style guitars like myself......the Jag HH's seem quite normal - and serve as a logical transition to the more full-featured offset guitars like "real" Jags. In my case - I decided that I simply wanted a short scale electric just for a change of pace - and the Jag HH seemed like a logical choice for someone used to guitars with TOM bridges and twin humbuckers. I was not ready to immerse myself in the balancing act of the (unfamiliar to me) traditional Fender offset tremolo unit - and I have never had a guitar with much more than a single toggle switch and Tone & Volume pots. The Jag HH put me into Fender offset territory without having to stray too far from what I'm used to. The short scale alone makes the guitar different enough for me - and the (very heavy) offset alder body is a departure for me as well. In my estimation.....I am playing something a bit different than what I already own.....and after I get more familiar.....I may just get a "real" Jag or Jazz someday.
Although I have noted with some amusement - that some of the "famous" Fender offset players in the past - covered their switches with tape to prevent accidental operation - and discarded their tremolo arms as well. And more than a few installed humbuckers too. The new stripped-down Blacktop Jag HH's seem to be very similar to those guitars with their "traditional bits" disabled or removed. Or at least that's what I have been telling myself. I will admit....that after installing a pair of high-output Dimarzio's in my Jag HH......well, it certainly doesn't sound very "surfy' or "jangly" - and it pretty much sounds like any other twin humbucker solid body I own. For me - it's just the short scale and different body shape that are new territory - and that's enough for now. I really am liking that combination though.....and it will probably lead me down the path of more traditional Fender offsets in the future. Or at least those that I can afford anyway..........!


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:34 pm
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I now have two jags, A CP Jag HH (with all the switches) and my Blacktop HH Jag. I can't imagine them ay other way!


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:57 am
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Thank You guys! i took the guitar to the "magician" and now the problem is solved :)
but he told me that the dragster pickups are pretty weak and they can make some unwanted sounds, but i like them very much.

About the jag with hh and tom bridge - yes hoytsanvan is right, i don't like normal jags with single coils and the "other" bridge - but with this modification - it's just awesome.

And what is awesome in this guitar is that first swtich on the bottom, i think it cuts some of the tones...

One more time- thank You all for the support!


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Post subject: Re: fender jaguar special hh - grounding problem
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:00 pm
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Hey Ty,

Just curious as to what the "magician" did. I have a jaguar special (dragsters) with a loud hum unless I'm touching any metal part and was just curious as to what he did...might have same problem.


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