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Post subject: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:33 am
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Hi,

I have a Fender Jag HH Black (special) and I'm finding it impossible to get the intonation right. The EADGB saddles are all fully back and it's 'almost' enough to get it sounding right. The low E is still out though. It's almost as if the bridge is set a couple of mm's off ?!

Anyone else have this prob ?

The only quick and dirty fix I can think of is to rotate the saddles 180 as they're asymmetric and the peak that the strings sit on will be further back.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:36 am
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Maybe your neck need a set up ; truss rod ? Too much curve give a shorter scale and need to slide all saddles back .
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First are you sure you use a good tuner to do intonation ?

I never test these guitars , but are you sure scale is good ? Bridge is a the right place ? Take some mesurement ; nut to 12 th fret and 12 th fret to center of saddle/ bridge position. This should be the same.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:25 pm
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Hum ... that seems atypical. What gauge strings and tuning are you using? What is the string height at the nut? How much relief is in the neck?

I do not have a close-up of my Jag. It is pretty much like my Epi though. I play 9's in standard tuning. Height at nut is just clearing fret 1 when depressed at 2nd fret. String height at 17 is 4/64" or 5/64". Relief at 12 is about a business card. This is my standard setup for a guitar.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:11 pm
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This seems very odd, I have the exact same guitar and mine always goes in great. Can you post a pic of the bridge?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:35 am
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I can also suggest that you go to Medium weight Strings (0.011 - 0.049). I recently bought a Jaguar Blacktop H/H and the salesman gave me 0.009's to but on. The E and A were really loose. I just put Medium's on, and made sure to wind as much string as possible onto the tuner pegs. It sounds much much better. The Jaguar is a short scale neck.

Also, I noticed that on the Jaguar's the bridge is square to the neck and pick-ups while the Gibson you showed has a slight angle on it to stretch out the low E and A. I am not a Luthier, but I am guessing that since Gibson has some pretty successful short scale guitars (i.e the mighty Les Paul)they have this one figured out. Maybe Fender should copy the bridge set-up all the way and add a slight angle back on the low side.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:11 pm
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I would still check for neck straightness and make sure the string height is proper for that gauge string. If your bridge is set too low, you will never get that thing intonated.

As far as Gibson, My Epi Les Paul (says set up in Nashville) has a slanted bridge like the one shown. Still can't get the low E intonated properly

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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:15 am
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Art1 wrote:

As far as Gibson, My Epi Les Paul (says set up in Nashville) has a slanted bridge like the one shown. Still can't get the low E intonated properly

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And if you reverse this saddle ? I often have same problem on many Gibson . Look like the bridge is not at a proper place for the neck scale .


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:10 am
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The angle on a Gibson was not as much help as you might imagine. They moved to the Nashville bridge as the abr did not provide sufficient range. Both are angled. Fender genenerally does not have an issue. I would take it to a tech. Something is amiss someplace.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:23 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
Art1 wrote:

As far as Gibson, My Epi Les Paul (says set up in Nashville) has a slanted bridge like the one shown. Still can't get the low E intonated properly

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And if you reverse this saddle ? I often have same problem on many Gibson . Look like the bridge is not at a proper place for the neck scale .


Really doesn't sound bad, but it's frustrating. I might try to raise the bass side of the bridge a hair.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:54 am
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I have the same guitar and I had the same problem too, at first.

When I bought it, the strings the previous owner had put on were 9s - a bit light for me, as I normally use 10s on my Strats and Tele. Combined with the 24" scale this was a recipe for pretty slack strings, but also gave me the intonation problem you have on yours: I ran out of adjustment on the low E.

I decided to re-string with 11s. These give a similar string tension and feel to the 10s I use on my other guitars (with longer scale), but also meant that I could properly set the intonation - although it's still right at the extreme of its travel on the low E.

In an ideal world, the bridge could do with moving a couple of mm towards the tailpiece to fix the problem, but that would involve major surgery. I did consider introducing a shim between the heel of the neck and the end of the pocket, to move the neck slightly further away from the bridge and therefore increase the scale length a little. But that would probably be a bit messy, so in the end I left it alone and just put up with the situation as is.

Hope that helps.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:33 am
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I run 9's on my CP Jag. I have no intonation issue.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:58 pm
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Yes, but the issue here is specific to the Blacktop. It has a tailpiece and tune-o-matic style bridge, the position of which seems to be the cause of the problem.

Thanks anyway!


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:03 am
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Having a tailpiece instead of a trem makes no difference. Intonation is to the bridge only. The CP Player has a tune-o-matic as well. The bridge of both appears to be in the same location as well.

http://media.fmicdirect.com/fender/imag ... md_001.jpg

Aside from being turned around in this picture it appers to be the same bridge.

http://media.fmicdirect.com/fender/imag ... md_001.jpg


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar HH intonation issue
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:57 am
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Rotate the saddles that don't move back far enough. This is a common fix for many Gibson TOM guitars that have the same issue. I've had to do this on set ups for people quite a lot especially when they're using heavier gauge strings. Don't start messing about with your truss rod etc if that's currently set right.

The truss rod is only for setting the relief in the neck. String adjustment should only be done at the bridge unless you have a bad nut.

The first thing that people do that don't have a clue is start messing with the truss rod.


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