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Do you want Fender to create a BOUND NECK WITH DOT INLAYS option similar to the 1965 version?
YES! Fender please make a BOUND NECK WITH DOT INLAYS option for a similar to 1965 version Jaguar. 71%  71%  [ 10 ]
No. 29%  29%  [ 4 ]
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Post subject: Fender Jaguar Bound Neck with Dot inlays PETITION (VOTE)
Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 2:43 am
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Hey everyone. I see on here a lot of demand for that very special and unique 1965 look with the bound white neck with dot inlays and I dont think Fender knows it yet. Yes some may say, oh they wont listen, but think about it, if we get a lot of people saying yes they want it, I know they will listen. Over time I have probably seen over a thousand people wanting this, but now this can be the central hub location for you to make your Bound neck with dot inlay Jaguar wishes known. I will share my research and petition with Fender after I get a lot of votes and signatures. So if you want this to be an option let your voice be heard here and Fender will see it and it will happen. Fender Japan already has this, but I gotta go American made and apparently there is also a high demand over in Japan for this too. Fender Japan listened. Fender America, your turn.

Here's my petition. I am asking for Fender to create the option to have a bound neck with dot inlays on their Jaguar with all the bells and whistle just like the AVRI 62 has. For example like the mute, bridge cover, original vintage bridge, tremolo bar, etc. Pretty much making an original reissue 1965 pre CBS version. Well I dont want to call it that because that seems so much bigger and more work than just saying "put a simple bound neck dot inlays on your already AVRI 62 and call it good. Thats all it is and all Im asking for. Its not like they dont have these necks just sitting and laying around there anyways. With the new Kurt Jag and the Thinline Jag these necks are a dime a dozen at Fender and can easily just be put on a AVRI 62, but I dont think they know there is a demand yet until now. So lets make our voices heard. No more custom shop either with this because I dont want to spend over $5500 for them to just put the thinline neck on a AVRI 62.

Fender Jaguar Bound neck Dot inlays History:
For those of you who dont know, the bound neck with dot inlays was first introduced in 1965 for a very short time and over flowed into 1966 for only the first part of the year until it was sold to CBS. Then instead of dot fret inlays they went to block inlays with binding mid 1966. Binding and dot inlays were never seen again until now with the Thinline Jag and of course the Kurt reissue Jag which is actually a mock up of the 1965 neck and body with custom pickups and bridge. This made the bound neck with dot inlays the most unique and rare find for a Jaguar. In my opinion it also looks the best and was the icing on the cake for me. A Jag without it is kind of like an ice cream sundae without the cherry on top. Fender bring it back!

If you want a New Jaguar with dot inlays and a bound neck vote and sign your name. Keep it simple and easy to read and lets keep this straight to the point. Also feel free and I encourage you to write to Fender requesting this at consumerrelations@fender.com or call them in the United States at (480) 596-7195. Believe me they know my voice well. Let them get to know yours too.

Here's pictures of exactly what Im talking about:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar Bound Neck with Dot inlays PETITION (VOTE)
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:52 am
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My Blacktop FSR Jaguar also has a bound neck with dots.Maybe Fender will use one and print Made in USA on it .


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar Bound Neck with Dot inlays PETITION (VOTE)
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:25 am
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There is no alternative. USA Jags with 65-style bound dot necks are only available as custom orders.

If you want a real USA Jaguar with '65 specs, order one from the CS. Contact your local showcase dealer and place an inquiry.

If you don't want spending your money for an expensive CS instrument, try finding an original '65 Jag in the used vintage guitar market.

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For those of you who dont know, the bound neck with dot inlays was first introduced in 1965 for a very short time and over flowed into 1966 for only the first part of the year until it was sold to CBS. Then instead of dot fret inlays they went to block inlays with binding mid 1966.


Laminated Maple Cap fretboards with black binding and blocks were offered as an option in the late 1960's/early 1970's.

The Jaguar was discontinued in 1975.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar Bound Neck with Dot inlays PETITION (VOTE)
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 2:07 pm
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chromeface wrote:
There is no alternative. USA Jags with 65-style bound dot necks are only available as custom orders.

If you want a real USA Jaguar with '65 specs, order one from the CS. Contact your local showcase dealer and place an inquiry.

If you don't want spending your money for an expensive CS instrument, try finding an original '65 Jag in the used vintage guitar market.

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For those of you who dont know, the bound neck with dot inlays was first introduced in 1965 for a very short time and over flowed into 1966 for only the first part of the year until it was sold to CBS. Then instead of dot fret inlays they went to block inlays with binding mid 1966.


Laminated Maple Cap fretboards with black binding and blocks were offered as an option in the late 1960's/early 1970's.

The Jaguar was discontinued in 1975.


Yes, I've seen those maple wood black binding black block inlays. Kinda funky looking if you ask me. Thanks for the cool info though. This thread is in the hopes to encourage Fender's marketing team to see what the people want. Fender doesn't know what people want because sometimes we're to lazy to contact them and we immediately assume they wont listen. In my experience these companies do listen, but number one is where is the biggest demand. So their marketing teams have to go out and search for this stuff. Well I want to make it easier for them and let them know. It doesn't seem super popular on here because it seems most of us are strat or tele guys on here, but over on OSG forum which is entirely a offset Jag, Jazz, etc. website, the petition is blowing up fast. 38 yes votes just in a day or so. If Fender sees enough demand, doesn't mean they will start making it right away, but I bet you they will begin to research this and open up their minds. Im not going to take credit and I want to thank a lot of you for your requests and hard work to let your voice be heard to Fender, but this is not my first petition to Fender. Neither is it my first phone call or request. For the last 5 years I have been bugging them to make more Jaguars, start using the binding more, and work on that tortoise shell material because it looks weird. In the last few years their Jaguar options went from 3 options to 13. Their tortoise shell material was a dark blackish tortoise shell and now a more vintage reddish look more similar to the original (Not exactly right just yet, but closer). Also not one, but now 3 Jags have a binding option. 50th anniversary, Thinline, and the black top which was a special order from Guitar Center. So believe me when I say all of these things were once just an idea and I let my voice be heard as well as many of you too and I am seeing my dream guitars being produced. You receive not because you ask not. But when you ask with a little persistence and faith, you will receive.

Custom Shop is out of the question for me. I contacted them and began an order. I asked for a AVRI 62 with just your thinline neck or the Kurt neck pretty much just a dot inlay with binding on it. He quoted me $4500. We both laughed and I said I should just go get a real 1965 instead for that price. He said well we build it from the ground up. So we cant just take a AVRI62 and a Kurt neck. We have to custom make everything right here. That is out of the question and I am looking into just getting a neck made or buy and after market. But Fender still needs to know and it would be great to see an actual reproduction 65 Jag like the Fender Japan has or a bound neck option. Its possible.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar Bound Neck with Dot inlays PETITION (VOTE)
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 3:44 pm
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chromeface wrote:
Laminated Maple Cap fretboards with black binding and blocks were offered as an option in the late 1960's/early 1970's.


You'll have to prove that, chromefake.

I have every Fender catalog from the 1963-64 model year up until 1973 and nowhere in them is mention made of a maple-cap neck option for a Jaguar (or a Jazzmaster for that matter).

As well, I spent nearly every Saturday afternoon as a kid in the 1960's schmoozing down at my local Fender dealer and saw every new instrument and amp that arrived fresh from Fullerton. In 45+ years of interest in Fender equipment I've never seen a maple fretboard (regardless of binding or blocks) on vintage examples of either of those guitars. Only the Jazz Bass received black binding and blocks with maple, beginning around mid/late 1968.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar Bound Neck with Dot inlays PETITION (VOTE)
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:44 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
chromeface wrote:
Laminated Maple Cap fretboards with black binding and blocks were offered as an option in the late 1960's/early 1970's.


You'll have to prove that, chromefake.

I have every Fender catalog from the 1963-64 model year up until 1973 and nowhere in them is mention made of a maple-cap neck option for a Jaguar (or a Jazzmaster for that matter).

As well, I spent nearly every Saturday afternoon as a kid in the 1960's schmoozing down at my local Fender dealer and saw every new instrument and amp that arrived fresh from Fullerton. In 45+ years of interest in Fender equipment I've never seen a maple fretboard (regardless of binding or blocks) on vintage examples of either of those guitars. Only the Jazz Bass received black binding and blocks with maple, beginning around mid/late 1968.

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This one might have passed you by. Apparently it did come out for only a short time near the end of the Jaguar's life. Sources say in 1970 it was introduced. Its very rare but I have seen it on a few different occasions. This was introduced or more common near the time when the Jag was discontinued or on its way out. Maybe something to boost sales and rather it killed it and no one ever bought one? Maybe that's why its so uncommon?


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The Jaguar Time line

1962 - Veneer fretboard replaces slab.
1963 - Pickups now come with raised and staggered polepieces.
1964 - Pots change.
1964/65 - Pearloid dots replace clay dots.
1964 - 'Double line' Kluson deluxe tuners come in
1965 (August) - Neck binding, "F" neck plate and F-keys introduced.
1966 - Pearl block inlays replace pearl dots.
1968 - Larger headstock. Acrylic lacquer finish replaces Nitrocellulose lacquer. New decal.
1970s - Black pickguard used on sunburst Jaguars. Jaguar is available with maple fretboard/black inlays and binding.
1975 - Discontinued.

Source: http://www.fenderjaguar.net/vintage.htm


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar Bound Neck with Dot inlays PETITION (VOTE)
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:47 pm
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Pretty unique, MHT! I've seen some guitars like this in recent years (MIJ/CIJ?) that were purported to be re-issues but that is the first vintage Jag I've seen with this combination of features.

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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:50 pm
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You have to learn a lot of things before calling me "Chromefake", RETROFAKE!

The Jaguars and Jazzmasters got indeed a tuxedo maple neck with black binding and blocks in the late 1960s/early 1970s!

From the GGJaguar website:

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Much has been written about the inception of the Fender Jazzmaster with its notable changes up to 1966. However, it is necessary to summarize these features to give some perspective to the Jazzmaster of the late 1960's. The earliest Jazzmasters (prototypes) had small, Stratocaster-like headstocks and fretted maple necks. The headstock shape quickly changed to the familiar large style and remained unaltered from 1958 through 1967. Other well known modifications included the change from anodized to nitrate pickguard (late 1959), nitrate to plastic pickguard (early 1965), spaghetti logo to transition logo (mid-late 1964), Strat style knobs to “amp” style knobs (circa 1964-65), Kluson tuners to Fender tuners (late 1965), slab rosewood board to veneer board (1962), unbound fingerboard with clay dot markers to pearloid dots (late 1964), bound board with pearloid dots (late 1965) and bound board with pearloid block markers (mid 1966).

However, the Jazzmaster continued its metamorphosis in 1968. Starting with the body, construction went from 2-piece to 3-piece alder (and occasionally 4-piece), although 3-piece bodies can be found as far back as late 1966. Polyester lacquer was used in place of nitrocellulose giving the Jazzmaster a slick appearance. This finish, which looks and feels excellent, should not be confused with the thick, plastic-like finishes found on mid to late 1970s Fenders. The color of the tortoise pickguard changed from red with white chunks and some black swirls to a brown-red that contained more black swirls and fewer white chunks. The neck profile of the 1968-69 Jazzmasters remained unchanged from the bound/block marker necks introduced in 1966. However, Fender did offer a maple cap fretboard with black binding and block markers during this time (see Gruhn and Carter, p131).

Examining the headstock reveals a host of changes. As on most Fenders, the gold transition logo was changed to the black CBS logo by late 1967/early 1968. The swoopy Jazzmaster moniker with motion lines changed to a larger bold block letter style around this time also. Sometime in mid-1967, the headstock was modified from the traditional large shape to the shape used on post-1965 Stratocasters. These changes are clearly illustrated in the photographs. Note that the 1962 model headstock is nearly straight as you follow the outline from the just below the rounded top portion to the “point.” By comparison, the headstock on the 1968 model is curved in this area. The 1969 headstock is a bit more trim with a less pronounced or protruding “point.” The difference is subtle and was confirmed by measuring and comparing headstock dimensions on the two guitars. This trimmer headstock has also been observed on Jazzmasters as far back as late 1967 indicating that the slight difference in shape may have been due to variation in production.

In addition, a somewhat surprising feature is also found on these two particular Jazzmasters. Both the 1968 and 1969 models have factory installed pearl button Fender/Grover tuners. These tuners were standard on the Fender Wildwood Coronado series, LTD and Montego guitars. Normally, 1968-69 Jazzmasters were equipped with the standard Fender “F” tuners with diagonal-cut backs. There is no mention of the Grover tuners being a factory option in the 1968-69 Fender catalog. It is plausible that Fender installed them on a custom basis, regardless of whether or not it was an “official” option. However, the fact that these tuners could be special ordered on the Jazzmaster was not widely known by the public at the time. If it was widely known, there certainly would be more Jazzmasters around today with factory installed Grovers since they are far superior to the standard “F” tuners. These are the only two Jazzmasters with Grover tuners known to exist by the author, however that does not imply that other examples are not extant. One wonders if these tuners were optional on the Jaguar and/or Stratocaster, as well.

The post-1967 Jazzmasters are fine instruments and offer a viable and affordable alternative to earlier models. Unfortunately, Fender guitars and basses, including the Jazzmaster, began to suffer from quality control and materials problems beginning in late 1966. It is still far easier to find a “good” Fender instrument from the 1966-69 period compared to mid to late 1970s Fenders. Perhaps it is the inconsistent quality (or the polyester lacquer!) that steers collectors away from the 1968-69 Jazzmaster. Maybe it’s just that there aren’t many on the market because there weren’t many Jazzmasters produced in 1968 and 1969 in the first place.

Special thanks to Mr. Dennis Kimball for providing me with photos and information for his 1968 Jazzmaster. Dennis and I spent quite a bit of time on the phone comparing notes and this article would not have been possible without his time and support.

About the author: Mr. Gagliano, a research biologist and part-time bassist, is an avid fan of early CBS era Fenders, G&Ls and Guilds.




On the other side I agree with you, the Jazz Bass received tuxedo black binding/blocks at the same time.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar Bound Neck with Dot inlays PETITION (VOTE)
Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:34 pm
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chromeface wrote:
You have to learn a lot of things before calling me "Chromefake", RETROFAKE!


Tall words from somebody whose sole Fender ownership experience consists of an Affinity Strat, a Frontman 5G amp, and a stack of Frontline catalogs.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

People were paying me money to play my guitar while you were still popping zits and mining your nostrils for "nose gold", pal.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar Bound Neck with Dot inlays PETITION (VOTE)
Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:28 am
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I do no have an Affinity, here's my beloved Clapton-inspired Squire Silver:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Jaguar Bound Neck with Dot inlays PETITION (VOTE)
Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:35 am
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Perhaps someday you'll actually learn how to play it and it will leave your bedroom......

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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 8:26 am
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I'm actually know strumming on that guitar and I'll promise you to post a webcam shot of me in action the next time I'm installing Cyberlink's Youcam 5 (I've acquired a brand-new HP Pavilion g6 1201ev in past Avril, sadly Windows 7 x64 SP1 crashed and I had to reformat the HD).


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Whatever you say, cupcake.

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Alright alright calm down guys. Lets get back to the subject. PM each other to continue your banter please. I foresee a long lasting loving relationship from you two very soon. Shoot you guys will probably even begin a band together and end in a big hug lol. All jokes aside. Lets get back to business. Lets see some votes people!


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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:23 pm
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I thought about a maple cap when I ordered my NOS 62 and decided against it. If going to the trouble to order a CS guitar with a maple cap, then I would have to make it Flame or birdseye, and they I would have to make it.... Well, the options would keep on mounting and I would be sleeping with the dog.

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