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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:52 pm
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MIMs are crap. Period. Chit vs Shinola.
It's the same with Taylors. I have several each MIM and MIA Taylors. The MIAs are the superior guitars.

All guitars look great these days. Looks means nothing anymore.


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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:39 pm
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So much for an intelligent discussion... :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:16 am
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Zentar wrote:
MIMs are crap. (...) The MIAs are the superior guitars.

Now, I'd really like to know what makes for instance a Lone Star or a Roadhouse Strat crap and an AmSpec Hss Strat superior...


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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:27 am
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Lone Star is an American made HSS Strat.
The MIM Lone Star comes with a bottle of Spicy Salsa. a map showing the locations of the border tunnels and five get out of jail free cards..


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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:32 pm
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OK. Nice to know what kind of filters to use, reading your posts from now on.


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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:46 pm
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I will ignore the MIM v MIA debate as I have no desire to become embroiled in a pointless debate that has no winner except for the guy who is happy with what he has.

That being said, you don't normally get into a project build because of its economy. You build a project guitar knowing it will cost more in the long run but you get exactly what you want with no need to compromise on any aspect. When I built my Strat Partsocaster I easily spent at least $400 more than the price of a brand new American Deluxe. I knew that going in. It is folly to think you can build a Fender cheaper than Fender can.

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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:05 pm
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True .... When I add the cost of building my Telepartster I just in parts alone.
Figured Walnut baulk was about $80. Pots and controls about $50. Texas Special pups $200. Brass Bridge and ferrules $150. Kluson Deluxe tuners $100. New Maple Deluxe Neck $300 ( didn't pay that but it would be the average cost for that particular neck. Lacquer finish $40.
Now the labor that went into it, $1,500 would be on the low side but then again.

So a rough estimate would be a price comparable to ordering a Custom Shop, but with all the one off custom details that would approximate around the $4,000 mark....
Inexpensive definitely not, plus I have not even included the tooling costs...
It is not possible to build a pro quality custom guitar without some serious woodshop quality tools, which had I needed to buy them all would add at least another $6,000 to the overhead...

So when you can buy a nice MIM for around $500, add $200-$300 in upgrades, it is still a bargain..
But most people don't realize just how expensive craftsmanship is...
It's not just about spinning screwdrivers... :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:13 am
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Zentar wrote:
What was my surprise I learned from my project $179 Squier?

I learned that it is more cost efficient to go buy a guitar outright....
If I spend any more on my Project Tele I will be throwing good money after bad.....
I have had to pull the plug on my Project Tele prior to where I planned to end it.....

I'm at the $350 point and I still need to spend another $100 to get what I desired.....
When you figure in resale value it isn't cost efficient to spend more than $400.
You'll lose everything when resale value is considered.
The imaginary total cost would actually be around $800.
You can go buy a real Tele for $800.

If you will lose money on resale that is an invisible cost you need to figure into the actual total cost.
The value in doing a Project Tele is purely in the fun you'll have and knowledge you'll gain.
If you want a good guitar just make a list of the features you want in it and go buy that model already set up.

Zentar wrote:
MIMs are crap. Period. Chit vs Shinola.
It's the same with Taylors. I have several each MIM and MIA Taylors. The MIAs are the superior guitars.

All guitars look great these days. Looks means nothing anymore.

Now let me get this straight......
You have a project $179 Squier Tele that you were planning to upgrade....
I assume that you planned to use only the Squier body, and your upgrade would have included a MIM Fender neck, quality pickups, Fender/Schaller tuners, a new bridge and new electronics to get into more than $800.00, had you decided to proceed.....
Now you are complaining that MIM Teles are "crap"......
It sounds like you have a serious case of sour grapes, and no cash......

The bottom line is that if you are building a guitar, it should be a guitar built to your specifications, which cannot be purchased at a guitar shop.
While more expensive than a MIM Tele, if done right, it can be a great guitar, with better pickups and a better sound than almost any guitar shop, MIM Tele.
If done right, it would be a Tele that you would never dream of selling, even if you could recoup the $800.00.

You don't build a guitar for resale value!!
You build a guitar for the personal satisfaction that you get from overcoming obstacles and ending up with a unique Tele built to your specs, that your mind conceived and your hands put together.
And if done right, it will be better guitar than any MIM, or even any American Standard Tele, that you might take off the wall at your local guitar shop.

I built this Tele for about $860.00. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=53915

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I have never picked up a MIM, or even an American Standard Telecaster at a guitar shop that plays as well, sounds as good, or looks as good (IMHO) as this custom Tele that is built to my specs, which cannot be purchased in a guitar shop.

I also have a 2009 American Vintage '52 Tele, which is a truly beautiful looking and great playing guitar.

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But I enjoy playing the "partscaster" just as much, if not more than the '52 Tele.
Neither of these guitars will ever be for sale if I can help it, until I'm actually looking at the end of the road.

I hope that you never buy a car, especially a sports car, if you believe that you should break even, or make a profit on resale..., or you are in for a rude awakening........, unless you are in the market for a 2016 Ford GT........


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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:57 pm
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Nice Tele.... well voiced !

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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:19 am
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I have two MIM Strats that I have upgraded and and an Am. Deluxe Strat. I can tell you that even bone stock the MIM Strats are not crap, modded they sound every bit as good as my Am. Deluxe. Maybe the OP should save his money and buy an American built guitar and save himself from all his unhappiness. Yes I could have bought a used Am. Strat for what I have tied up in my MIM strats, but, I have a guitar the way I want it.


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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:37 am
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A real MIA Tele has a 42mm width at the nut. A foreign made Squier Tele has a 40mm nut width. I read 50 gloriously complimentary reviews of how good an approximation the Oriental Teles were to the American Teles and not one reviewer ever mentioned the incorrect neck width at the nut. If you are apable of understanding that good guitars are made up of precision pieces carefully chosen and matched then why all the BS on how good the clone Teles are?
I personally have stopped reading reviews because the reviewers are not knowledgable or honest. They've merely bought piece of crap toy imitation and they're glad to have it cause it looks kind of like the real guitars the big boys play on.


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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:55 am
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Zentar wrote:
A real MIA Tele has a 42mm width at the nut. A foreign made Squier Tele has a 40mm nut width. I read 50 gloriously complimentary reviews of how good an approximation the Oriental Teles were to the American Teles and not one reviewer ever mentioned the incorrect neck width at the nut.

Squier doesn't make "copies" or "reissues", so you're wrong about the "incorrectness".
And there are plenty of different nut widths on Squiers, so that 40mm is also false.
Plus, only a few build years of MIJ Squiers are regarded as being about par with the MIA's. MIJ Fenders, that's another story; the debate goes on and on and on and...

In general: calm down now, before you ruin your forum rep totally.


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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:55 pm
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I guess it's not PC to call a spade a spade. Personally I think if it has a 40mm nut on it then it should say Mattel on the headstock. It really ticks me off how many bogus great reviews I read before buying my project Tele by Squier. You wanna hear a sunshine pumper then youre talking to the wrong guy. Honesty never killed anybody.


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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:07 am
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So as a summary:
You read a lot of internet reviews.
Based on those, you expected to get a $1300 Fender by buying a $180 Squier and modding it with less than $400.
And now you're angry at Fender, Squier, the forum and who knows what/who else, because that didn't work.

There might be something wrong in the equasion, see if you can find it.


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Post subject: Re: Project Telecaster
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:18 am
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Maybe zentar needs a new hobby other than modding guitars. Knitting maybe ? :lol:


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