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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:12 pm
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Well moron, all it would have taken using your method would have been a straight edge along the bottom of the tuners.
No template required, just the intelligence to work it out.

If you don't like being told the truth then don't bring poor handiwork to the show and tell.

Another shout-out from the beacon of ignorance....
Clearly, you have never done this tuner modification, or probably any modification to any guitar.
If you had done this modification, you would know that there is no effective way to use a "straight edge along the bottom of the tuners" and to mark the pinholes, and obtain a "template" accurate alignment of the tuners, because the tuners are raised up from the back of the headstock before the pinholes are drilled, and the tuner will move as the tuning peg is not extended into the hole.
Your simple solution, is no solution; but since you have no experience with performing this modification, your advise is just another "beacon of ignorance"......
If anyone attempting this modification want's to try a straight edge, have fun.
Now go back to the Power Plant, mangler!!


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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:23 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
Well moron, all it would have taken using your method would have been a straight edge along the bottom of the tuners.
No template required, just the intelligence to work it out.

If you don't like being told the truth then don't bring poor handiwork to the show and tell.

Another shout-out from the beacon of ignorance....
Clearly, you have never done this tuner modification, or probably any modification to any guitar.
If you had done this modification, you would know that there is no effective way to use a "straight edge along the bottom of the tuners" and to mark the pinholes, and obtain a "template" accurate alignment of the tuners, because the tuners are raised up from the back of the headstock before the pinholes are drilled, and the tuner will move as the tuning peg is not extended into the hole.
Your simple solution, is no solution; but since you have no experience with performing this modification, your advise is just another "beacon of ignorance"......
If anyone attempting this modification want's to try a straight edge, have fun.
Now go back to the Power Plant, mangler!!


:lol:
I don't have a guitar with wonky tuners. You on the other hand ...... :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:28 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
:lol:
I don't have a guitar with wonky tuners.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I doubt you even have a guitar. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:34 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
I doubt you even have a guitar. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Ah well, that's something else you're wrong about.
Enjoy your guitar with just the one straight tuner :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:53 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
I doubt you even have a guitar. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Ah well, that's something else you're wrong about.
Enjoy your guitar with just the one straight tuner :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The tuners, now with pearl keys, look straight enough to me!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:15 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
The tuners, now with pearl keys, look straight enough to me!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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You really need to book an appointment with an optometrist.
Only one of those tuners is straight - the one for the D string.
That's 16.6% done correctly.
The rest are wonky.
It doesn't matter if you've got gold plate or pearl buttons or diamond inlays, it will always look like a rushed and poorly executed tuner installation :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And you have to live with it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:32 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
You really need to book an appointment with an optometrist.
Only one of those tuners is straight - the one for the D string.
That's 16.6% done correctly.
The rest are wonky.
It doesn't matter if you've got gold plate or pearl buttons or diamond inlays, it will always look like a rushed and poorly executed tuner installation :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And you have to live with it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I only go to ophthalmologists, have 20x20 vision and...., I'll gladly live with it!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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To the "Beacon of Ignorance":
Let's see an example of anything that you have ever done to modify or build a guitar, mangler. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:55 am
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:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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I'd rather hail Marx and Lennon

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:40 pm
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Lightnin MN wrote:
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I'd rather hail Marx and Lennon

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

cheers!

I'd rather hail Lennon, even if he was from Liverpool!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

....Can you believe that some clowns pocket from out in the boonies, in the northern UK wants to give me s**t about these tuners:

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.....when the Fender Custom Shop is selling Teles that look like this, for $4K ?

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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:21 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I'd rather hail Marx and Lennon

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

cheers!

....Can you believe that some clowns pocket from out in the boonies, in the northern UK wants to give me s**t about these tuners:


Actually... I can't believe how Hostile you are... turning this into a Flame War... over Tuning Machines !!

Arguing on the Internet is like trying to reason w/ a Three year-old... !! :o :o

Any credibility you may have had flew right out the window the moment you began with the innuendos, name calling and personal attacks.

Generally speaking, that's not what we do here Bozo... !!

If you survive here more than a few hundred odd posts, the concept may come to you... hopefully ! (somewhat surprising it already hasn't)

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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:50 am
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....Can you believe that some clowns pocket from out in the boonies, in the northern UK wants to give me s**t about these tuners:

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.....when the Fender Custom Shop is selling Teles that look like this, for $4K ?

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Well Wonky, it looks like we have some common ground.

I don't like what the Custom Shop does either with respect to ruining (in my opinion) perfectly good guitars such as the Telecaster shown in the above picture.
Call me old fashioned, but I'm from the school of buy it new and any wear and tear the guitar picks up in its life is there because the player puts it there, not because the finish has been ruined because of some fashion statement.
That said, I quite like the "journeyman" finish Fender have been using recently - they have managed to attain the look of a cherished but played instrument.

Going back the Telecaster in the picture above - matters of taste aside, the one thing you can guarantee is that the tuning machines will be installed straight.


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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:23 pm
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Lightnin MN wrote:
MickJagger wrote:
Lightnin MN wrote:
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I'd rather hail Marx and Lennon

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

cheers!

....Can you believe that some clowns pocket from out in the boonies, in the northern UK wants to give me s**t about these tuners:


Actually... I can't believe how Hostile you are... turning this into a Flame War... over Tuning Machines !!

Arguing on the Internet is like trying to reason w/ a Three year-old... !! :o :o

Any credibility you may have had flew right out the window the moment you began with the innuendos, name calling and personal attacks.

Generally speaking, that's not what we do here Bozo... !!

If you survive here more than a few hundred odd posts, the concept may come to you... hopefully ! (somewhat surprising it already hasn't)

cheers!

Well, in response, perhaps my remarks were a bit over the top, but after providing a guitar modification option to the thread initiator, that no one was forced to follow, I'm then faced with a sustained litany of personal attacks of a different sort.
Sometimes, it becomes necessary, unfortunately, to place things in perspective, albit be, distasteful.

You can be certain that I will continue to try to discuss matters in a positive light in this forum, and I am certainly able to accept disagreement and legitimate criticism for my ideas, pursuant to which, I am able to legitimately, and politely defend.
But should I be faced with what I consider to be sustained, arrogant harassment, don't be surprised when the hammer comes down.

Cheers!!


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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:53 am
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Well, in response, perhaps my remarks were a bit over the top, but after providing a guitar modification option to the thread initiator, that no one was forced to follow, I'm then faced with a sustained litany of personal attacks of a different sort.
Sometimes, it becomes necessary, unfortunately, to place things in perspective, albit be, distasteful.

You can be certain that I will continue to try to discuss matters in a positive light in this forum, and I am certainly able to accept disagreement and legitimate criticism for my ideas, pursuant to which, I am able to legitimately, and politely defend.
But should I be faced with what I consider to be sustained, arrogant harassment, don't be surprised when the hammer comes down.

Cheers!!


Your response to my initial comment was over the top.
You could have laughed it off, held your hands up and admitted to doing a poor job, and that would have been the end of it.
Instead you chose to come back with insults.
My responses weren't exactly shining examples of appropriate behaviour either, and I regret rising to the bait.

However, my initial comment still stands, and you could have made a better job of it. You could have taken some measurements with calipers and made a template to align everything up properly.
Whenever I find myself in a situation where I need to cut holes and make sure that positionally everything is correctly positioned I make a template - I do a lot of data infrastructure installation, and when I encounter dry line walls is just makes life a lot easier to make up a template. That way outlets are at a uniform height above the floor, and the outlets are also fitted so that they're square to the vertical.

With the tuners on your Tele you could have used one of these, or devised something similar http://www.stewmac.com/Luthier_Tools/To ... l_Jig.html


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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:21 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
MickJagger wrote:
Well, in response, perhaps my remarks were a bit over the top, but after providing a guitar modification option to the thread initiator, that no one was forced to follow, I'm then faced with a sustained litany of personal attacks of a different sort.
Sometimes, it becomes necessary, unfortunately, to place things in perspective, albit be, distasteful.

You can be certain that I will continue to try to discuss matters in a positive light in this forum, and I am certainly able to accept disagreement and legitimate criticism for my ideas, pursuant to which, I am able to legitimately, and politely defend.
But should I be faced with what I consider to be sustained, arrogant harassment, don't be surprised when the hammer comes down.

Cheers!!


Your response to my initial comment was over the top.
You could have laughed it off, held your hands up and admitted to doing a poor job, and that would have been the end of it.
Instead you chose to come back with insults.
My responses weren't exactly shining examples of appropriate behaviour either, and I regret rising to the bait.

However, my initial comment still stands, and you could have made a better job of it. You could have taken some measurements with calipers and made a template to align everything up properly.
Whenever I find myself in a situation where I need to cut holes and make sure that positionally everything is correctly positioned I make a template - I do a lot of data infrastructure installation, and when I encounter dry line walls is just makes life a lot easier to make up a template. That way outlets are at a uniform height above the floor, and the outlets are also fitted so that they're square to the vertical.

With the tuners on your Tele you could have used one of these, or devised something similar http://www.stewmac.com/Luthier_Tools/To ... l_Jig.html

Maybe you should review your initial comment, which is the manner in which you chose to proceed.
You're entitled to your opinion.
And I'm entitled to my opinion about you, which stands, so stop your sloppy whining.
There was no completely accurate method for creating a template, which you continue say was possible, without ever having performed this modification.

Thank you for the tuner jig information.
That's the first useful thing you have provided to this dialogue, and could have provided without your pejorative BS.
Unfortunately, neither of us know whether that tool was available in 2011.
I, certainly was not aware of it.


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Post subject: Re: Looking for tuner options.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:15 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
And I'm entitled to my opinion about you, which stands, so stop your sloppy whining


Whoa Tiger, time to get back under your rock!

MickJagger wrote:
Thank you for the tuner jig information.
That's the first useful thing you have provided to this dialogue, and could have provided without your pejorative BS.
Unfortunately, neither of us know whether that tool was available in 2011.
I, certainly was not aware of it.


You're welcome.
Maybe you could use one to fix your wonky tuners.
I certainly don't give a damn about 'em, but it sure was fun yanking on yer chain :D


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