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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:51 am
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MickJagger wrote:
Did you drop out of high school, or are you just trying impress us with your puerile wit?

Technically I didn't even go to high school, so yes. So have you ever played a guitar?

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Perhaps because they are ugly, ergonomically atrocious, and basically feel like sh*t.

How would you know? But anyway, why does nobody make guitars with cheap-ass plastic bodys and high-end pickups and hardware, if that's all that counts?


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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:16 am
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MickJagger wrote:
It is the same as throwing a rock into a pond.
The ripples never "reflect" back toward the rock.

I quoted only a small portion from your lengthy post, sorry.
Apparently you just used Newton's Law #3 to prove there is no echo..?


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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:21 am
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"That is correct.
It is the same as throwing a rock into a pond.
The ripples never "reflect" back toward the rock."

But of course they do as soon as the wave of energy meets a media of significantly different density (like the shore).
Plug in your electric guitar ( solid, semi-hollow, or full-hollow body), turn the amp up significantly, don't touch the strings or pups, then knock on the body with your knuckles....hear anything? Do you think that transfer of energy can only go one direction? Plus, surely you've heard of resonance.

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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:12 am
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So if I get a huge lump of concrete, screw the tuners, nut, pickups and the bridge from my Strat in it and put the strings on, it will sound exactly the same? Because the body doesn't matter?


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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:26 am
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So if I get a huge lump of concrete, screw the tuners, nut, pickups and the bridge from my Strat in it and put the strings on, it will sound exactly the same? Because the body doesn't matter?


Good one 8)
Probably not, but it will be heavy, hard to hold, yet a killer 'rock' tone :lol:

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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:48 am
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I find it amazing someone can grasp the idea that wood absorbs vibrational energy but completely ignore the fact differing woods absorb differently.

I also find it amazing that a video bent on proving all other videos are based solely on opinion is itself actually based solely on opinion. Even more amazing is that this video is presented as the final word on the matter when it doesn't even qualify as a single word on the matter.

Clearly the "Stone" has never played a Thinline or has any grasp of the illogic of insisting on pups only in the face of the mountain of evidence against him. He has done such a grave disservice to the pups only crowd by spewing this nonsense I doubt any of them will ever come to his rescue.

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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:57 am
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jmattis wrote:
MickJagger wrote:
It is the same as throwing a rock into a pond.
The ripples never "reflect" back toward the rock.

I quoted only a small portion from your lengthy post, sorry.
Apparently you just used Newton's Law #3 to prove there is no echo..?

Apparently you have no understanding of rudimentary 17th Century physics.
If the initial sound was constant, there would be no echo because the diminished echo could not overcome the continuing constant sound at the point of origin.
However, at some distance, the echo would serve to dampen the constant sound.
The reason that you have an echo is because the initiating sound normally stops, allowing for the reverberated, time delayed echo to occur.
This has no application to an electric guitar.


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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:00 pm
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AlexeiY wrote:
ChrisH1 wrote:
So if I get a huge lump of concrete, screw the tuners, nut, pickups and the bridge from my Strat in it and put the strings on, it will sound exactly the same? Because the body doesn't matter?


Good one 8)
Probably not, but it will be heavy, hard to hold, yet a killer 'rock' tone :lol:

It will sound exactly the same, perhaps with a bit more sustain.



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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:28 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
jmattis wrote:
MickJagger wrote:
It is the same as throwing a rock into a pond.
The ripples never "reflect" back toward the rock.

I quoted only a small portion from your lengthy post, sorry.
Apparently you just used Newton's Law #3 to prove there is no echo..?

Apparently you have no understanding of rudimentary 17th Century physics.
If the initial sound was constant, there would be no echo because the diminished echo could not overcome the continuing constant sound at the point of origin.
However, at some distance, the echo would serve to dampen the constant sound.
The reason that you have an echo is because the initiating sound normally stops, allowing for the reverberated, time delayed echo to occur.
This has no application to an electric guitar.

You brought up the "ripples in a pond" metaphor, I just followed your line of thinking back to "sound waves", which seems a logical path on a guitar forum...
Now let's see you sink in this one: just how is a guitar string vibration (just for simplicity, let's call it a back-and-forth movement) "constant"?


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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:42 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
I find it amazing someone can grasp the idea that wood absorbs vibrational energy but completely ignore the fact differing woods absorb differently.

How did you come up with that deduction, Einstein?
Clearly, not from anything that I have said.
Two of the same type of electric guitars with different woods will sound different when played "acoustically" due to the fact that different woods absorb vibrational energy differently.
This has no affect on amplified sound.
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I also find it amazing that a video bent on proving all other videos are based solely on opinion is itself actually based solely on opinion. Even more amazing is that this video is presented as the final word on the matter when it doesn't even qualify as a single word on the matter.

You obviously need to take notes on this video and do further research, instead of ignoring science in favor of the make-believe world in which you wish to live.



Clearly the "Beamer" has never played a Thinline or has any grasp of the illogical basis which supports his insistence that wood affects the tone of an amplified electric guitar, in the face of the mountain of SCIENTIFIC evidence against him.
He has done a grave disservice to the tone wood crowd by spewing this nonsense, without any plausible scientific argument to support his position.
Given Beamer's ethereal logic, compounded by other logically challenged disciples of ignorance, possible rescue from his pathetic intellectual morass is without hope.


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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:17 pm
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jmattis wrote:
Apparently you just used Newton's Law #3 to prove there is no echo..?
MickJagger wrote:
Apparently you have no understanding of rudimentary 17th Century physics.
If the initial sound was constant, there would be no echo because the diminished echo could not overcome the continuing constant sound at the point of origin.
However, at some distance, the echo would serve to dampen the constant sound.
The reason that you have an echo is because the initiating sound normally stops, allowing for the reverberated, time delayed echo to occur.
This has no application to an electric guitar.

You brought up the "ripples in a pond" metaphor, I just followed your line of thinking back to "sound waves", which seems a logical path on a guitar forum...
Now let's see you sink in this one: just how is a guitar string vibration (just for simplicity, let's call it a back-and-forth movement) "constant"?

This is why the echo analogy has no application to an electric guitar.
The vibration of the strings is not constant, but there is also no echo time lag, save a possible millisecond.
The vibrational energy of the strings will always be greater than any wood vibration energy returning to the strings (assuming that this actually occurs), which will be necessarily cancelled out by the greater vibrational energy of the strings.
For this reason, wood vibration has absolutely no affect on string vibration or on the amplified tone of an electric guitar, other than a possible slight dampening affect that is beyond the realm of human sonic perception.


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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:30 pm
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MickJagger wrote:

That sounds nothing like a Strat whatsoever. Also these guys only want to sell their pickups!!!111
Also² these are piezo pickups, so all that $@!& you wrote about the sound only being generated by the strings' magnetic field is completely irrelevant.
And also³ the lump of concrete I had in my mind was like ten times bigger.


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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:33 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
This is why the echo analogy has no application to an electric guitar.

THEN WHY DID YOU EVEN BRING IT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE?


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Post subject: Re: 6 saddles vs 3 saddles
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:46 pm
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save a possible millisecond
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possible slight dampening affect that is beyond the realm of human sonic perception

So you're now moving from absolutely no effect towards maybe some effect?
And you give the "echolike" back reflection a millisecond's chance to have effect on the greater vibrational energy, if they should sync in the right way during that millisecond?
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