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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:28 pm
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Yeah, and I posted videos taken in the Fender factories showing bodies being CNC'd without these holes. So, uh, yeah, I don't believe that they're being used in the CNC process since they're not there during the CNC process.

You can choose to believe things contrary to evidence if you want.


And it seems you wish to make a silly conspiracy out of this. Take a look at the second video you posted, of the Mexican facility, at 4:35 you will see a whole pile of completed thinline bodies in a pile and all visible have that mystery hole. So there is a process somewhere in there that uses that hole.

And the first video showed Strat bodies, we are discussing Tele bodies. Keep your evidence straight, and compare apple to apples.

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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:49 pm
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Tell us the answer you want, so we can say it to you, if you don't want to believe what you've been told. :roll:


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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:55 am
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The video is of Corona, and you can see tele bodies with the hole. Several times, including at 6:22

When they were talking about ones with maple caps, I didn't see it.

http://youtu.be/KHdQLaoDOoU


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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:23 am
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Not sure if the replies after my first post were directed to me.
I don't care why the holes are there. Just researching since I recently bought it at GC, used, but in like-new condition.

My standard Tele has a MIM maple neck with a 2008 serial number. It also has Kluson tuners, mint green pickguard, 3 brass barrel bridge & Seymour Duncan 5-2 pickups, all appear to be upgrades after finding specs in a 2008 Fender catalog online. I thought it might also be a MIA body since it looks like a 3 color sunburst and the catalog offers 2 color SB. 3 holes indicate it's MIM and goes with the neck. Regardless, it's a keeper!


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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:15 pm
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Look, folks: I'm not trying to make a conspiracy out of it. I don't care that much about the hole; it's covered by the pickguard and I'm not looking to leave the pickguard off. I'm merely curious why it's there.

The explanation that was given before sounded odd to me, so I did a little further research to see if I could confirm or deny it. I found videos of both Fender factories showing bodies being CNC'd. The hole was not there during the CNC process.

Some of you seem to be implying that I'm saying that the hole isn't there at all. Clearly it is; I have one that has the hole, and, yes, the hole is visible at other points in the videos.

My point is that the hole isn't there during the CNC process, so it either gets created after the CNC is complete, or late in the CNC process, either of which would indicate that it's not being used as an integral part of the CNC process, which is the explanation that was provided before.

It's possible that there's a second CNC process where it's used, though the videos show the edges of the bodies being rounded over on a manual router table, and I can't think of anything else that would use CNC.

It's possible that both videos happen to be showing pickguardless model bodies being CNC'd, though that seems like an odd coincidence.

I'm not looking for a conspiracy. I don't think that the Fender rep was intentionally lying. I'm not looking to complain. I really love the guitar; I've been playing the hell out of it. I really am just curious, and the explanation that's been given just doesn't seem to match the evidence.

Also, I looked at the sticker again and it looks like it might say "9am":

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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:12 pm
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I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about something else completely.
That's a tone hole.
That particular exact spot in the body wood is the mathematical center of the wood's natural resonance.
By making the wood thinner in that one little spot it makes the tone thinner.

This is the source of the commonly held (and mythical) belief that single coil guitars sound thinner when in actual fact single coils can sound quite thick. You will note all P90 equipped Fender guitars do NOT have the hole lending credence to and perpetuating the other myth, that P90s are actually thicker sounding than Fender style singles when in reality they're pretty much the same thing. This perpetuation of a common public delusion keeps sales up because people wrongly believe the only way to get a guitar that sounds like a Fender is to buy a Fender.

This also explains why Partsocasters with aftermarket bodies like maybe a Warmoth tend to sound a little thicker than a genuine Fender.

Sorry for my previous misunderstanding of the true subject matter.

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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:53 pm
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I'm sure you think you're a real funny guy. If you believe the router pinhole thing, or are otherwise not interested, just stop reading the thread.

I honestly do appreciate you answering my question to begin with, though, despite my doubts as to its veracity.


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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:46 am
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I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about something else completely.
That's a tone hole.
That particular exact spot in the body wood is the mathematical center of the wood's natural resonance.
By making the wood thinner in that one little spot it makes the tone thinner.

This is the source of the commonly held (and mythical) belief that single coil guitars sound thinner when in actual fact single coils can sound quite thick. You will note all P90 equipped Fender guitars do NOT have the hole lending credence to and perpetuating the other myth, that P90s are actually thicker sounding than Fender style singles when in reality they're pretty much the same thing. This perpetuation of a common public delusion keeps sales up because people wrongly believe the only way to get a guitar that sounds like a Fender is to buy a Fender.

This also explains why Partsocasters with aftermarket bodies like maybe a Warmoth tend to sound a little thicker than a genuine Fender.

Sorry for my previous misunderstanding of the true subject matter.

You also need to make a small opening in your pick guard or the sound will be muted. Just cover it with some grill cloth to keep the dirt out, unless of course you prefer a grittier tone.


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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:09 am
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William Faulk wrote:
Look, folks: I'm not trying to make a conspiracy out of it. I don't care that much about the hole; it's covered by the pickguard and I'm not looking to leave the pickguard off. I'm merely curious why it's there.

The explanation that was given before sounded odd to me, so I did a little further research to see if I could confirm or deny it. I found videos of both Fender factories showing bodies being CNC'd. The hole was not there during the CNC process.

Some of you seem to be implying that I'm saying that the hole isn't there at all. Clearly it is; I have one that has the hole, and, yes, the hole is visible at other points in the videos.

My point is that the hole isn't there during the CNC process, so it either gets created after the CNC is complete, or late in the CNC process, either of which would indicate that it's not being used as an integral part of the CNC process, which is the explanation that was provided before.

It's possible that there's a second CNC process where it's used, though the videos show the edges of the bodies being rounded over on a manual router table, and I can't think of anything else that would use CNC.

It's possible that both videos happen to be showing pickguardless model bodies being CNC'd, though that seems like an odd coincidence.

I'm not looking for a conspiracy. I don't think that the Fender rep was intentionally lying. I'm not looking to complain. I really love the guitar; I've been playing the hell out of it. I really am just curious, and the explanation that's been given just doesn't seem to match the evidence.

Also, I looked at the sticker again and it looks like it might say "9am":

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Hi there,
First off, let me say that I'm also not an expert on CNC's and my work on the "body line" was in the Fullerton woodshop ( and the routing that I did, I did on table routers)....so it's been awhile.....at any rate ;O) that's my disclaimer.
My answer is pretty much what everyone elses answer is.
Whether you choose to believe it or not is of course, your choice. But to your own point, it's not like it's a big deal since it's "under the hood" if you will, and so there is no reason to fabricate any type of story about it. It just is what it is.
I'm pretty sure that Bryce got his answer from his boss, the head of Consumer Relations, who has spent a good amount of time in both factories, and fairly recently, and makes it his business to stay very knowledgeable about as many facets of the manufacturing process as he possibly can. So Bryce isn't just throwing out an answer, it is one that he has either experienced with his own eyes, or one that his boss educated him on.
So the truth is.....it is a CNC guide --as folks here and Bryce have stated.
Some have guides in obvious places, some do not. There are differences in programming from Corona to Ensenada ----as well as from machine to machine within the plants.
So there you go, believe it or don't.
Hope everyone's having a good new year!!
All the best,
rob

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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:27 pm
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Rob Schwarz-Fender wrote:
There are differences in programming from Corona to Ensenada ----as well as from machine to machine within the plants.

Having multiple different CNC machines would certainly explain why the hole doesn't appear in the videos of the CNC process; it may be that the ones that happen not to do the hole are the ones easily visible in the factory tours.

And thanks for supplying some provenance on Bryce's answer.

Like I said before, I'm not looking for a conspiracy, just an answer that jibes with the evidence I've seen.


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Post subject: Re: What's the deal with this extra hole?
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:18 pm
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
You also need to make a small opening in your pick guard or the sound will be muted. Just cover it with some grill cloth to keep the dirt out, unless of course you prefer a grittier tone.
As I understand it this is one of the reasons newer guitars tend to sound hotter than vintage guitars. The hole fills with grit and lends a grittier tone.
Great catch there and thanks for reminding me!!

And for the record, Bill, we sometimes do have a little fun when we encounter stubbornness on a no-brainer issue. You will see it from time to time if you stick around long enough. It's just friendly banter but it's also frequently a wake-up call at the same time. You will find there are lots of people here who really know their stuff. There are also people here who think they know their stuff and are sometimes corrected by those who actually do. Welcome to the forum.

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