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Post subject: Re: Evolution of the American Standard Tele
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:12 am
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So ....
You're saying wood can in and of itself excite the strings into vibration. Am I reading you correctly?

If anything - ANYTHING - makes the wood vibrate, those vibrations excite the strings into vibration too, yes.

What causes the wood to vibrate is irrelevant - some comes from the strings themselves, some come from sound waves hitting the body or neck of the guitar, some come from other sources, like your hands tapping the wood. And because tonewood transfers vibrations, some of that causes the strings to ring too.
More so when the length of the vibrations and strings are near exact multiples of each other or a resonant frequency of the wood (both are parts of the reason for what's known as "wolf tones"), but even other frequencies add to the overall vibration of the strings.

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If so, does that same physics principle of dissipating energy apply to any material - a guitar made of styrofoam would have the same sustain as a guitar made of steel?


How much of the vibrations is transferred through the bridge, nut and frets into the strings depends on the wood. Woods that transfer vibrations well across a broad spectrum tend to be called tonewoods.

A lead-clad marble guitar would have next to no acoustic feedback. The sustain would probably be very high because so little energy would be lost, but it would also likely sound pretty dead. We want some of the feedback of string noise passing into the wood and back into the strings again.

This may surprise you, but styrofoam is remarkably resonant. It dampens sound from passing through it, but it resonates low frequencies quite well. I've made fragile office drums from the styrofoam inserts that Dell machines used to come with combined with the thick plastic bags the machines were in and some duck tape. There are also Vuvuzelas with a styrofoam cone.
It would obviously not be strong enough for a guitar.


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Post subject: Re: Evolution of the American Standard Tele
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:37 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
So ....
You're saying wood can in and of itself excite the strings into vibration. Am I reading you correctly?

If anything - ANYTHING - makes the wood vibrate, those vibrations excite the strings into vibration too, yes.

What causes the wood to vibrate is irrelevant - some comes from the strings themselves, some come from sound waves hitting the body or neck of the guitar, some come from other sources, like your hands tapping the wood. And because tonewood transfers vibrations, some of that causes the strings to ring too.
More so when the length of the vibrations and strings are near exact multiples of each other or a resonant frequency of the wood (both are parts of the reason for what's known as "wolf tones"), but even other frequencies add to the overall vibration of the strings.

BMW-KTM wrote:
If so, does that same physics principle of dissipating energy apply to any material - a guitar made of styrofoam would have the same sustain as a guitar made of steel?


How much of the vibrations is transferred through the bridge, nut and frets into the strings depends on the wood. Woods that transfer vibrations well across a broad spectrum tend to be called tonewoods.

A lead-clad marble guitar would have next to no acoustic feedback. The sustain would probably be very high because so little energy would be lost, but it would also likely sound pretty dead. We want some of the feedback of string noise passing into the wood and back into the strings again.

This may surprise you, but styrofoam is remarkably resonant. It dampens sound from passing through it, but it resonates low frequencies quite well. I've made fragile office drums from the styrofoam inserts that Dell machines used to come with combined with the thick plastic bags the machines were in and some duck tape. There are also Vuvuzelas with a styrofoam cone.
It would obviously not be strong enough for a guitar.

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Post subject: Re: Evolution of the American Standard Tele
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:36 am
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arth1, I won't be biting on your bait again.

Jmattis, different materials have different properties.

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Post subject: Re: Evolution of the American Standard Tele
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:22 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
Jmattis, different materials have different properties.

But different woods don't..?


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Post subject: Re: Evolution of the American Standard Tele
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:01 pm
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Yes they do.

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Post subject: Re: Evolution of the American Standard Tele
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:03 pm
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John C wrote:
July 2000 - 2007: Revised version now called the "American Series Telecaster". Changes include rolled fingerboard edges, sealed tuners with staggered-height shafts, revamped alnico pickups (I believe the bridge pickup had staggered-height polepieces), parchement pickguard (instead of white).

I have a 2005 American Series Telecaster which has been kept all original and I just had to point out that mine doesn't have staggered pole pieces on the bridge pickup. Just flat mate. I've tried to find out as much about the pickups as I can and all I can get off the specs sheet for that model is that they are simply called "American Standard Telecaster pickups". I was hoping to find out more specs like Henries etc but have had no luck so far. They sound great though! In my opinion anyway.
Another unique feature for these teles listed on the spec sheet it says: "Unique Features: Rolled Fingerboard Edges, Sharper ‘52 Style Body Radius".
So the body shape was changed as well.
I think it's since changed again to a more contoured shape as well.
That's about all I have to add anyway!
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Post subject: Re: Evolution of the American Standard Tele
Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:15 pm
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Dan999 wrote:
John C wrote:
July 2000 - 2007: Revised version now called the "American Series Telecaster". Changes include rolled fingerboard edges, sealed tuners with staggered-height shafts, revamped alnico pickups (I believe the bridge pickup had staggered-height polepieces), parchement pickguard (instead of white).

I have a 2005 American Series Telecaster which has been kept all original and I just had to point out that mine doesn't have staggered pole pieces on the bridge pickup. Just flat mate. I've tried to find out as much about the pickups as I can and all I can get off the specs sheet for that model is that they are simply called "American Standard Telecaster pickups". I was hoping to find out more specs like Henries etc but have had no luck so far. They sound great though! In my opinion anyway.
Another unique feature for these teles listed on the spec sheet it says: "Unique Features: Rolled Fingerboard Edges, Sharper ‘52 Style Body Radius".
So the body shape was changed as well.
I think it's since changed again to a more contoured shape as well.
That's about all I have to add anyway!
:-)


Thanks; I'll admit that I followed the changes from original American Standard to American Series more closely for the Strats than the Teles and wasn't sure about the polepieces. I had forgotten that the Teles also went to the 50s style contours like the Strats did.


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