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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:58 am
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chromeface wrote:
Post reported to the forum administrators. You'll receive a nice ban for this attack! :twisted:


Gee, I'm terrified. Guess I've got nothing to do now but go play my nice, not $@!&*% up guitars.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:40 am
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Chrome, let him troll, let it go and don't post any more responses to him.

Everyone else sorry this thread keeps getting bumped to the top. Its finished for now.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:07 pm
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I can't speak for the other moderators, and perhaps it IS trolling.....sometimes its a fine line......and perhaps it's only because I didnt see the previous incarnation's posts.....
but it could just be that it bugs WillJames when somebody else chooses to experiment with modding his own property to his own hearts content, and feels compelled to state his personal dismay over what Impulse7 does with his own stuff on a public forum where opinions can vary.
Impulse7-you have the right approach. Chromeface thanks and no disrespect at all meant by non-deletion.

WillJames, thanks for your opinions. I believe that we all see your viewpoints clearly.
So noted.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:26 pm
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Rob Schwarz-Fender wrote:
I can't speak for the other moderators, and perhaps it IS trolling.....sometimes its a fine line......and perhaps it's only because I didnt see the previous incarnation's posts.....
but it could just be that it bugs WillJames when somebody else chooses to experiment with modding his own property to his own hearts content, and feels compelled to state his personal dismay over what Impulse7 does with his own stuff on a public forum where opinions can vary.
Impulse7-you have the right approach. Chromeface thanks and no disrespect at all meant by non-deletion.

WillJames, thanks for your opinions. I believe that we all see your viewpoints clearly.
So noted.

All the best,
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Cheers Rob, thanks for the information.

WillJames, all my apologies and sorry for the inconvenience. Yes, modifying an instrument without the necessary skills could seriously hurt its value. But if the DYI job is done by a person having a certain experience in luthiery might result into a beautifully sounding axe.

Of course Impulse's decision to put gold hardware in his twangbeasts is purely a question of taste. :D


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:41 am
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WillJames wrote:
Really?

I think you're the troll. You encourage people to destroy valuable things because you think it's funny.

Honesty, these are not beautiful or unique. Have you ever seen those sites selling fake guitars with mismatched hardware? They look just like this.

I've seen thousands of modded guitars online and this is by far the most misguided and ugly.

Someone should have stopped him but you're all too nice to tell him the truth and now look what's happened.


How valuable do you think a blacktop is? And I don't encourage people to do anything but at the same time I don't insult someone for changing the color or pups or using gold hardware on a MIM tele. Now if it had been a 70's or older I would have discouraged cutting in a battery box. But posting with no other intent then to insult people and disrupt the forum is indeed the very definition of trolling.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:15 am
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Can't believe people would get upset over somebody modding a blacktop tele to their preference. Why do people get upset over something that has no direct impact on their lives? Gold isn't my thing and I would've used duncan blackouts instead, but it's not my guitar. Impulse7 modded it to his liking and I applaud him and his effort. It's not a 1950's tele, it's a dang blacktop. I own a blacktop tele and love the neck. Before I bought a schecter solo 6 blackjack, I was tempted to carve out the body on my blacktop to fit in a set of actives.
Enjoy your guitars while you can. Play em. Swap parts. Re-finish if you please. Just don't go sticking fender labels on squiers and try passing them off as a fender. If your keeping your ordinary 80's, 90's, 00's, or 10's fender in original condition because you think in 40 years they'll reach the value that a 50's fender has today, well keep wishing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV-p51fvYLc


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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:03 am
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Can't believe people would get upset over somebody modding a blacktop tele to their preference. Why do people get upset over something that has no direct impact on their lives? Gold isn't my thing and I would've used duncan blackouts instead, but it's not my guitar. Impulse7 modded it to his liking and I applaud him and his effort. It's not a 1950's tele, it's a dang blacktop. I own a blacktop tele and love the neck. Before I bought a schecter solo 6 blackjack, I was tempted to carve out the body on my blacktop to fit in a set of actives.
Enjoy your guitars while you can. Play em. Swap parts. Re-finish if you please. Just don't go sticking fender labels on squiers and try passing them off as a fender. If your keeping your ordinary 80's, 90's, 00's, or 10's fender in original condition because you think in 40 years they'll reach the value that a 50's fender has today, well keep wishing.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:23 pm
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chromeface wrote:
PicknGoodTime wrote:
Can't believe people would get upset over somebody modding a blacktop tele to their preference. Why do people get upset over something that has no direct impact on their lives? Gold isn't my thing and I would've used duncan blackouts instead, but it's not my guitar. Impulse7 modded it to his liking and I applaud him and his effort. It's not a 1950's tele, it's a dang blacktop. I own a blacktop tele and love the neck. Before I bought a schecter solo 6 blackjack, I was tempted to carve out the body on my blacktop to fit in a set of actives.
Enjoy your guitars while you can. Play em. Swap parts. Re-finish if you please. Just don't go sticking fender labels on squiers and try passing them off as a fender. If your keeping your ordinary 80's, 90's, 00's, or 10's fender in original condition because you think in 40 years they'll reach the value that a 50's fender has today, well keep wishing.


+1!


I agree as well but you can't really compare a blacktop to a 50s. But that said some "ordinary" strats from the 80s and 90s are and have been increasing in value if original. But mostly the MIAs and MIJs..the others not so much unless they are some kind of limited production model. As far as a blacktop which is a fairly common MIM it is the perfect template for mods. Well actually any strat is a great template for mods as long as they are reversible. On a black top however if anything the right mod could potentially increase the value, at least if you find a buyer who loves the mods and knows it would cost more to do this from scratch rather then just buy one already with the upgrades.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:52 pm
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@rob

Impulse7 gave us a lot of cool ideas.

How about a USA Blacktop Strat/Tele pair with splittable EMG-Xs and gold hardware? We know Fender did a pair of signature Strats and Teles for Jim Root, but these guitars lack off coil tap and split abilities.

In the case of the Strat an original recessed Floyd is mandatory.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:46 pm
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Sorry I missed all the support for impulse 7 and the fantastic mods he did (lot of time and money was spent for a great outcome!). I haven't checked in for awhile. I was planning to the other day because I figured the Demo's were up, but I'm just getting around to it. I certainly approve and at the same time envious as well. The response he gave shows just what a great guy with a lot of class he really is!! Anyway "nuff said"!


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:42 am
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ebaysux wrote:

How valuable do you think a blacktop is? And I don't encourage people to do anything but at the same time I don't insult someone for changing the color or pups or using gold hardware on a MIM tele. Now if it had been a 70's or older I would have discouraged cutting in a battery box. But posting with no other intent then to insult people and disrupt the forum is indeed the very definition of trolling.


Someone who owns a collection of vintage guitars may think it was junk but what about the kids who are saving up just to buy squier affinities, dreaming of getting one of these.

It's all about perspective. Do you think someone who barely earns enough money in a year to buy a blacktop would ever consider doing something like this? Millions of people are starving to death in the world who have never seen anything like this guitar.

I would never discourage anyone from modding a tele, it's great. But my point is you have to be smart and make informed descisions. Look back through this thread, he makes his choice of pickups based on watching a couple of YouTube videos which is a terrible idea. He has no idea what he's doing or why he's doing it and everyone just encourages him.

Reading this thread is like watching one of those kids who kill themselves taking drugs on a webcam because strangers tell them to do it.

Just speaking my mind.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:45 am
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I have another hobby, auto restoration. I'm on my 4th one from the 40's and 50's era and it's the same argument, purist versus non purist. It's all a matter of "It's My stuff, I'm doing it, and I'll do it the way I want to" In the end some folks approve and some don't depending on which side of the fence your on. What I really dislike the most is when "Ida" or "Shoulda" or one of their close friends show up. "Ida done it this way" or "Shoulda done it that way". :D What I want to see is the "Demo", that's where we were before we got side tracked. If I like it GREAT!, if I don't like it GREAT!, all that matters is what Impulse7 thinks about it. :D


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blacktop Mod: Paint, Hardware, Finish, Pickups
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:01 am
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Will, you aint giving up. Great. Thanks for your pointers and I'm sorry the choices I made with this build didn't live up to your standards. Lets look at some of the statements I made, some of the decisions I made and hopefully you can understand where I came from with these:

1) My luthier friend helping me out with the battery pack.

I have no problem with you calling me an amateur or a hack or making bad decisions. But when my friend said he wants to build me a guitar, and he knew I loved Van Halen, who the hell am I to stop him :). To make a guitar from scratch is the pure definition of luthier: a maker of stringed instruments such as violins or guitars. So lets look at what he did and find out if he "Made a Stringed Instrument"

This is what he made, starting with jarah he made the body, and inlaid cedar:

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Then walnut:

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Then routed the pickup space and placed:

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Then the hardware:

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The neck:

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The completed (but unfinished product):

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There it is, thats why I call him my "Luthier Friend". Unfortunately 2 years later some douche at a gig decided to knock over the guitar and crack its headstock. So the only finished photo I have is this one with the replacement neck:

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and heres me playing it live:



2) He and I also made a 1x12 extension cabinet, heres the link to that build:

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Hopefully thats enough to show you what HE can do, heres some of the stuff I've done/had over the years:

3) Heres a pic of a guitar I built from brazilian mahogany, before the invention of mobile phones with cameras in them so I can't show you the build process.

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But imagine the process is the same as the photos above but without the inlay work :)

4) After I gutted the electronics and wired in 1 of at least 4 sets of pickups: Original Chinese Generics, Stewmac Golden Age, Yamaha Pacificas, and I think I finally landed with some american standard pickups in the neck and middle and a SD Lil Screamin Demon in the bridge.

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5) UMMMM what else.... Heres a see through acrylic pickguard I made for my first godin:

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6) Heres my Candy Cola Strat that the SD Lil Screamin Demon was in for a bit, but back out when I sold it

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There is a metric TONNE of stuff I've had in the mean time, basses (squires, yamahas, and fender pluses and gibsons), amps (both bass and guitar : randall, marshall, fender, line 6, mesa boogie), guitars and keyboards. And I've pretty much tweaked em all in some way or fashion (not the keyboards, god I wouldn't know what to do with them). Don't get me started on pedals.... I've gone through enough of em to poke a stick at.

I made the decision on EMG's because I wanted an active set and really hadn't tried them in the 20 years I'd been playing guitar.

WillJames, I know you've read this far because for what ever reason you keep coming back here to make a point so please take note of this, I'm not braggin about gear, the stuff above isn't super expensive stuff, what I would like to point out is this: The first guitar I owned was a guitar I made from scratch, point 3) above the one from brazilian mahogany was made from $100 in 1998. Before that guitar came into my life I had a hand me down acoustic from my uncle before then. The school I went to at the time had an extracurricular class: $100 and you'll make a guitar from scratch. So I worked and saved a $100. A group of us all them made the same guitar. I made it from wood and machinery and cheap parts sourced from china. And I didn't have an amp, I played it through a old philips stereo I picked up off the side of the road during rubbing collection, it was from the 70s with a "Mic" input, which was the same size as a guitar cable. The guitar cable I got from a pawn shop for 3 dollars. It was 7 years between the guitar I made and the black godin and my first Fender Amp, 7 years with a home made guitar and a 70s stereo. If you don't or can't get $100 to scrape together a guitar of your own I'm sorry. But if you can, start there at the bottom where I did. Start with that Squire Affinity, get there, do it. Work at MacDonalds until you save enough. Because I know EXACTLY what its like to be wanting to get one of those things. In the 20 years since.... I've got some more stuff, and I tweaked the crap out of it because thats how I've always been with guitars: since my first one.

Hopefully that explains just a fraction of the choices I made to get to this point. So bag me out all you want about the choices I, myself, made. Fine if you think gold hardware and active pickups are crap. But don't talk to me about "having no idea" or "Reading this thread is like watching one of those kids who kill themselves taking drugs on a webcam because strangers tell them to do it." Instead how about you suck it up, get off the internet, get a job and go get your squire.

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:D :D :D Bravo!! well done Impulse7!!. We're back on track, now give us a "Demo" of that modded out monster you just built!!


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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:29 pm
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WillJames wrote:
ebaysux wrote:

How valuable do you think a blacktop is? And I don't encourage people to do anything but at the same time I don't insult someone for changing the color or pups or using gold hardware on a MIM tele. Now if it had been a 70's or older I would have discouraged cutting in a battery box. But posting with no other intent then to insult people and disrupt the forum is indeed the very definition of trolling.


Someone who owns a collection of vintage guitars may think it was junk but what about the kids who are saving up just to buy squier affinities, dreaming of getting one of these.

It's all about perspective. Do you think someone who barely earns enough money in a year to buy a blacktop would ever consider doing something like this? Millions of people are starving to death in the world who have never seen anything like this guitar.

I would never discourage anyone from modding a tele, it's great. But my point is you have to be smart and make informed descisions. Look back through this thread, he makes his choice of pickups based on watching a couple of YouTube videos which is a terrible idea. He has no idea what he's doing or why he's doing it and everyone just encourages him.

Reading this thread is like watching one of those kids who kill themselves taking drugs on a webcam because strangers tell them to do it.

Just speaking my mind.


It is okay to speak your mind as long as you are not personally insulting someone just because you don't like what they did to their OWN guitar. As far as any kids that are saving up for a guitar I hope when they do finally get it that they don't have to deal with a negative troll like you if they decide to personalize it. And if it is a mistake then that is the best way to learn. What the OP did to their Tele came out fine and if he does not like it...well it is only a cheap piece of wood...I am sure he can change the pups or color of stuff...jeez are you for real?

As far as anything else you said it is so ignorant that it actually surpasses normal trolling and is entering the realm of delusion.

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