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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:11 am
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I took it to two guys. One of whom is considered "one of the best" by friends and acquaintances. He is actually a luthier. When I left the luthier, the guitara seemed fine. He noticed how poorly the fretboard was finished. I went home and played it. I was getting sharp notes at the 3rd fret low E (G) again. I put it away for a week or two, pulled it out and the intonation was WORSE!!! It is almost unplayable. Unacceptable for a $1000 guitar that is new.



Return to see the luthier .

If at your home you do not have same temperature / humudity than at luthier shop , this could affect intonnation. I see some new guitar need many neck set up in same month , wood is too new (?) After they are good for long .

Or the "best " luthier is not a good one , is not qualified ?

That is one reason I learn to do all my guitar set up since more than 10 years . I do for friends too . My guitars are always in tune .
The luthier tools and books to learn how I bought , pay by itself . I bougt the Peterson Stroboscopic Tuner . That's THE tuner for right intonnation.

Fender is one of the easiest guitar to work on .


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:39 am
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Thanks Steve,

This is an email from my set up guy.

"The guitar intonates fine. The nut was at proper height when it left.
You tube is the death of a lot of players because they hunt down all the wrong things with out checking the simple ones first.
Your tele intonated fine here. If the notes go sharp 1 of 2 things happen. 1 the saddle moved & 2 the tuner buttons are locked down to tight causing binding. Both will cause a gradual increase in pitch.

I did file the nut down when it was here"

This guy has done great work for me before. I drove 1-1/2 hours to use him. By all accounts this guy is an ace. He was the second guy to have at this guitar, so odds are it is the guitar. I am going to a THIRD guy Monday morning. I will keep you posted.


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:19 am
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cwgatti wrote:
Thanks Steve,

This is an email from my set up guy.

" Your tele intonated fine here. If the notes go sharp 1 of 2 things happen. 1 the saddle moved & 2 the tuner buttons are locked down to tight causing binding. Both will cause a gradual increase in pitch.



....or the neck move ! Why he did not write that ?

Saddle can't move by itself.

Did you know if he check neck bow ? If he adjust truss rod , this job can need a check first 24 hours , neck can move slowly.

How long he kept your guitar for this set up ? If he do this set up while you wait , sure it won't last.


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:35 am
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He had it for a week. He was the second guy to work on it. There is something wrong with this guitar. I am taking it to a THIRD guy tomorrow. I will know more then. I think that the fretboard has a slight depression from the 4th fret back to the nut. When I fret a note at the G on the low E, it goes sharp. If I press with minimal effort, it will play G. If I press with normal pressure it goes sharp.

We will see.

On a positive note, the 96 Jeff Beck strat I bought last week is a masterpiece. I can't put it down (except to deal with my defective Telecaster)


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:46 am
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If from 4 th fret have slight depression which make the guitar unplayable , the luthier may see that and fix or tell you .

He did not , you are wrong OR luthier is not good .

You should press string like is your playing habit . Sure if you press more or less note will be false .
That the other reason I do my set up myself. Intonnation is for my playing habit .

If this guitar are defective , unplayable a good luthier will see it and tell you . They don't tell that isn't ?

I write it before ; guitar is not a rocket science , so basic and simple mechanic .

In this story , we don't know what is your playing skill , tell us about that . Is it your first guitar , you have other guitar ?


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:58 am
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stratele52,
I have been playing for 30 years. I know when a guitar is f***ed up. I have owned 30+ guitars in my life. I know you are an expert and a Fender nut, but I have NEVER had a guitar that is this problematic in my life. Including a Hondo explorer I had back in 1984.
I will know more tomorrow. And I will post any/all feedback I get from Hello Music.

If the THIRD repairman can't fix it, I will send it to you.


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:45 pm
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Cwgatti thank you for the answer. It is interesting to know the profile of the person to whom you are dealing.
I wish you good luck with this new luthier


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:32 pm
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I have never had a guitar come back to me after doing a setup.

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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:42 pm
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cvilleira wrote:
I have never had a guitar come back to me after doing a setup.


Can I get your phone number?


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:46 pm
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Again, it is not the setup. It is a defect from the 4th fret to the nut. The note is true open, true at the 12th fret and sharp when depressed at the 1st-4th frets. I am thinking that there is a depression on the fretboard in this area, or the frets are set too high. Maybe it is as simple as dressing them down.

I will know tomorrow.


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:01 pm
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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:06 am
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cwgatti wrote:
Again, it is not the setup. It is a defect from the 4th fret to the nut. The note is true open, true at the 12th fret and sharp when depressed at the 1st-4th frets. I am thinking that there is a depression on the fretboard in this area, or the frets are set too high. Maybe it is as simple as dressing them down.

I will know tomorrow.


It look to me the nut need some work . It is too high. Easy job for any luthier. I do it often with Stew Mac files kit .

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Files ... Files.html

If you press any string at 3rd case , all strings must be very very close to the first metal fret. Just a piece of paper can fit between string and metal fret . If not so close guitar will play false at few first fret.

I can't understand why the guys ( sure they are not luthiers , just handy man ) you see before did not check and see that ? They are not qualified for sure.


You have a good guitar wich just need a normal set up . Don't think the guitar is wrong , its is your's handy man is unqualified. A few hour job became a nightmare because unqualified handy man . You should not hate fender guitar for that .

I wish to see close up photo of the nut before the job and after.

Sorry for my english , I'm french Canadian speaking.


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:39 am
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It look to me the nut need some work . It is too high. Easy job for any luthier. I do it often with Stew Mac files kit .

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Files ... Files.html

If you press any string at 3rd case , all strings must be very very close to the first metal fret. Just a piece of paper can fit between string and metal fret . If not so close guitar will play false at few first fret.

I can't understand why the guys ( sure they are not luthiers , just handy man ) you see before did not check and see that ?


He did write that the luthier had said "I did file the nut down when it was here". You missed that?


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:53 am
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stratele52 wrote:
It look to me the nut need some work . It is too high. Easy job for any luthier. I do it often with Stew Mac files kit .

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Files ... Files.html

If you press any string at 3rd case , all strings must be very very close to the first metal fret. Just a piece of paper can fit between string and metal fret . If not so close guitar will play false at few first fret.

I can't understand why the guys ( sure they are not luthiers , just handy man ) you see before did not check and see that ?


He did write that the luthier had said "I did file the nut down when it was here". You missed that?



Oups ! :oops:

And the nut is not enoug file ?


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Post subject: Re: Major problems with my Telecaster
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:33 pm
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cwgatti wrote:
Again, it is not the setup. It is a defect from the 4th fret to the nut. The note is true open, true at the 12th fret and sharp when depressed at the 1st-4th frets. I am thinking that there is a depression on the fretboard in this area, or the frets are set too high. Maybe it is as simple as dressing them down...

If the neck is warped or was in a flood, you should be able to see that.
In that regard, I'm not sure that I understand your statement: "I am thinking that there is a depression on the fret board in this area."
Either there is a visible problem from the fourth fret up or there is not.
There should be no need to guess about a depression in the neck.

Now, as far as the frets being level, a good guitar technician should be able to put a straight edge on the frets and determine if they are level.
Since your nut has been worked on, I'm assuming that the nut can be eliminated from consideration.

I'm also curious about a statement that you made a while back that there was lacquer all over the frets.
This seems highly unusual to me as I have never seen a Fender electric guitar with lacquer all over the frets.
It sounds as though the neck was refinished by some amateur.

In summary, you apparently got a "present" from someone who bought this guitar from a very shaky on-line unauthorized dealer, and you have no idea about the history of that guitar.
It was probably stolen and sat in a Rider truck in Death Valley for a few weeks before ending up on "Hey Música."
Obviously, there is no warranty, so please don't blame Fender for your SNAFU.

Legitimate Fender guitars, and in particular, Corona factory guitars, do not come with the types of defects that you describe.
Once you can find someone who can correctly diagnose your problem, you will be able to determine if the neck can be fixed, or if you are eBay bound in search of a neck.
Live and learn....

If it sounds too good to be true, there's a damn good chance that it's just too good to be true...
By the way, I've got some great deals on land in southern Florida, right next to a "nature preserve..."
...But I don't suppose you are interested...
Good luck.


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