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Post subject: Excessive Fret Buzz?
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:53 am
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I have a 2006 Nashville and after playing it for a while I'm not sure about the amount of fret buzz it's producing. I sat a straight edge on the frets and the neck is essentially straight. I might be able to fit a piece of paper underneath.

All the strings buzz above about the third fret on. With most coming between 5 and 15 or so. Is there a normal amount for a Tele? The string height above the frets measure to factory settings.
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:03 pm
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Yes your neck need a truss rod adjustment , a small neck bow.

You need some tools more accurate than a paper , But at least yes a paper is a good to start.
Capo on first fret and fret the 3 th or 4th string on last fret and check with paper or tool.

Fender said 0.010 inches between string an metal fret . Around the 8th fret . Choose the fret with the more spacing. Could be the 9th......

But you kind of playing may need something elese . I set my neck to 0.013 for my playing.

You can take a chance by loosen your truss rod nut . BE CAREFUL the Allen wrench you use MUST fit tight in the nut ; any loose can ruin the nut .

Start by 1/10 turn at time , wait few hours and check . Few hours is a must if you don't have any experience. If good , Wait 24 hours to be sure .


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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:04 pm
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Thanks! Some extra neck bow was what I was thinking too but wanted to get a second opinion. I have the necessary guage to set the string height. I have not adjusted a truss rod in over 25 years, should be interesting.


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Post subject: Re: Excessive Fret Buzz?
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:41 pm
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Hi, Stratele 52 is right in his advice,but i am curious, did this just happen all of a sudden,and was the guitar left in a hot place? The reason i am asking is if all the strings are buzzing,thats a very big bend. thanks


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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:51 am
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Thanks! Some extra neck bow was what I was thinking too but wanted to get a second opinion. I have the necessary guage to set the string height. I have not adjusted a truss rod in over 25 years, should be interesting.



Most important take you time , neck bow is a slow process if you had never do .

And second : have the proper and good quality Allen key ; tight fit ; a must


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Post subject: Re: Excessive Fret Buzz?
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:14 am
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To all,
When I bought it there was some significant buzz in the high E and B strings which I took out by raising them. When I originally bought it the store (Bill's Music, Catonsville, MD) offered a free set up but looking back on it I'm not sure they did anything so that's why I raised the strings.

It hasn't been in a hot place but lives in our finished basement which may be a little on the damp side.

Other than the buzz I'm perfectly happy with the guitar. Sounds great and easy playing. Before I made my own adjustment the string heights were correct per factory recommendations. It's strung with .09's.
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:02 am
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Never raise the string before you are sure the neck have the right bow . Raising the string you loose some "easy playing".

Neck bow should be check each time you have fret buzz or feel the string are to high from the fret board.
Strings ( Bridge / saddles ) won't raise or buzz by itself ; Neck bow change by itself with time and weather .

We assume guitar set up is done properly first.


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Post subject: Re: Excessive Fret Buzz?
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:17 am
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Thanks for the info.My crystal ball says a quarter to a half a turn will do it, but it may need more.Thats counter clockwise. Turn it a quarter and retune it etc... and with the modern drying processes for wood nowadays, five minutes and you should notice the difference I own a straightedge too and it just sits there gathering dust while i do these things by ear,so don't get hung up on factory specs. There may be slight movement over night,but not that much. Lack of humidity or dry air will also tighten up a neck,and slapping a little lemon oil or fretboard conditioner on the frets can't hurt. the factory specs may be a good start for string height adjustment, but let your fingers be your guide as how high or low you like it. Sounds like an easy fix. Good luck.


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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:21 am
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Thanks, I will keep you all informed as to how it works out.


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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:51 pm
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Prepaws,

Ok on a gig with not tools it is an emergency way to fix .


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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:53 pm
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to Stratele 52 while i do agree to an extent to following fender specs,and tools for an older and or pricey instrument, we are talking about an inexpensive fender here,and want to give confidence to someone who is not sure what to do and make it easy for them.I play out,give lessons,and work on them, and i see a lot out of the box with a poor set up and for some reason the need to loosen the truss rod. It's all about the wood and the drying process which is often incomplete. In this fellows case, something made the neck really tighten up, and he can look down that straight edge all day and won't see it if he is not experienced. Thats why i say loosen it and use your ears. He can loosen the truss rod all the way and he won't break anything. Just screw it back in. Also in his case, string height is important. He can check it in twenty four hours, but in my experience he won't see that much movement. The key is to turn and tune until the buzzing stops when strumming hard. And make sure those strings are not too low. I say go for it and good luck!


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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:32 am
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prepaws wrote:
to Rockstar, while i do agree to an extent to following fender specs,and tools for an older and or pricey instrument, we are talking about an inexpensive fender here,and want to give confidence to someone who is not sure what to do and make it easy for them.I play out,give lessons,and work on them, and i see a lot out of the box with a poor set up and for some reason the need to loosen the truss rod. It's all about the wood and the drying process which is often incomplete. In this fellows case, something made the neck really tighten up, and he can look down that straight edge all day and won't see it if he is not experienced. Thats why i say loosen it and use your ears. He can loosen the truss rod all the way and he won't break anything. Just screw it back in. Also in his case, string height is important. He can check it in twenty four hours, but in my experience he won't see that much movement. The key is to turn and tune until the buzzing stops when strumming hard. And make sure those strings are not too low. I say go for it and good luck!



Thanks for the good info. This was the first time I have ever seen a neck this straight and I've owned 7 different electrics. I am not too concerned about adjusting the truss rod but have not done it in a while.

What I need to do in the future is find a different place in the Baltimore area to do guitar set ups although this guitar had been sitting in their display case for a very long time and changing its home may have played a part.


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Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:34 am
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Sooo, I've been making adjustments. Put about 1/2 turn total of relief into the neck and got a little bit of noticeable bow from fret 5-12 or so. Maybe 1-2mm at most, I think but I can see some space now. I haven't taken an exact measurement. Re-checked and adjusted the string height. Bass side is 5/64, treble is 4/64 per Fender specs. The buzz is much alleviated but not entirely gone. I'd say I've gotten rid of about 70% of it. Much better. Intonation is till dead on but it needs another check tonight after last night's adjustment. I put on new strings as well.

To see what my other guitars have I took out a Les Paul (2011 Classic). It has virtually no detectable buzz anywhere with pretty much the same string heights but heavier strings: 10's vs 9's. It has very little neck bow. Probably less then the Tele currently has.

I really don't want to raise the action much higher so I'm wondering if I have a neck tilt problem that's causing the remaining buzz. I have a couple books on the subject but I really don't want to start taking it apart (doesn't scare me though). If I do I would assume the shim would go above or at the top most screws looking at the guitar with the neck vertical.

I also wanted to thank everyone for their help on this one.


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Post subject: Re: Excessive Fret Buzz?
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:47 pm
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Hi,turn that truss rod until the buzz goes away. If this does not do it,you may have a twisted neck.


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Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:00 am
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rwdavis2 wrote:
Sooo, I've been making adjustments. Put about 1/2 turn total of relief into the neck and got a little bit of noticeable bow from fret 5-12 or so. Maybe 1-2mm at most, I think but I can see some space now. .



Sorry but as I tell before ; whitouth accurate reading you can't tell if neck bow is right or wrong .

With reading and neck bow in spec, you can work on another part of the guitar.

You don't follow my advice posted july 15 . Guitar are not a rocket science

The way you work , just by eyes, you 'll stay with guitar fret buzz Or high action.

When everything is in spec, if you stay with fret buzz, you need fret leveling and crowning .

That's all.


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