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Post subject: Re: My Modded Butterscotch Affinity Tele.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:32 am
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Dennis, to be honest with you, I don't really owe you any explanations at all of what I do with any guitars that I do buy. I thought I would just explain my situation and thought you would understand, but I've come to the conclusion that you are a arrogant bastard. Besides the fact that I am a 3rd degree Black Belt, and do get a pension from the Navy , I do also work for a living believe it or not. I have been working in the nursing field on a PT basis for the last 10 years. My first couple were as a CNA after which I took advantage of my Veteran's benefits and went to school to get my degree as a LPN. I work 2nd shift 3-11 4 nights a week at a local nursing home as a shift supervisor. What I do with my hard earned money, is none of your business or anybody else's . So why don't we just forget that I posted this to begin with and go our separate ways, okay ? Thank you.


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Post subject: Re: My Modded Butterscotch Affinity Tele.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:40 am
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Telecaster God wrote:
Dennis, to be honest with you, I don't really owe you any explanations at all of what I do with any guitars that I do buy. I thought I would just explain my situation and thought you would understand, but I've come to the conclusion that you are a arrogant bastard.
Jeff, I think you have emotional issues. I think you lie about still owning guitars you sold a year ago. You post pictures and think that since you still have the same pictures you posted two or more years ago, you can tell everyone you still have those guitars. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86596 Note once again your very public mention of that other old Squier (which you admit now you sold) that you stuck a fake "Fender waterslide decal" on...
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I had sold my Fender Guitars last year
I'll tell you what, you quit constantly talking about all the things you are doing to your guitar, all the $6 mods and the low end DD pups and all the other junk you think the whole world needs to know, especially including your creation of Fender forgeries, and I'll quit bugging you. You keep saying what you do with your guitars is none of my business, but you keep throwing the same tired public posts up over and over about all the things you're doing to your "Squier that wants to be a Fender" guitar! Then you come on this Forum and brag about putting that fake decal on. There is no excuse!

And I don't know how anyone who comes back on the Forums with the moniker Telecaster God can call me arrogant.

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Post subject: Re: My Modded Butterscotch Affinity Tele.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:19 pm
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I agree with everything CRGuitarMan says, except I was a 'arrogant bastard' before I got here. :?


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Post subject: Re: My Modded Butterscotch Affinity Tele.
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:06 am
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Telecaster God, whatever mods you do to your guitars, for whatever reasons, fall into the "ok, it's your guitar...do what you want" category, except the fake Fender decal. That serves no purpose but to try to fool the unsuspecting into the belief that the guitar is a Fender, not a Squier, and therefore, probably more valuable.

Nothing wrong with a Squier....nothing wrong with a modified Squier......lots wrong with passing it off as a Fender.


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Post subject: Re: My Modded Butterscotch Affinity Tele.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:06 am
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44james wrote:
Telecaster God, whatever mods you do to your guitars, for whatever reasons, fall into the "ok, it's your guitar...do what you want" category, except the fake Fender decal. That serves no purpose but to try to fool the unsuspecting into the belief that the guitar is a Fender, not a Squier, and therefore, probably more valuable.

Nothing wrong with a Squier....nothing wrong with a modified Squier......lots wrong with passing it off as a Fender.


A lot of folks tend to do that with their squiers and try to sell them. I have no intention of selling my guitars . When my wife and I were in the process of having our son moving in with us , I ended up selling a 2006 MIA 60th Anniversary Special Edition Stratocaster which had the cubic Zirconia on the headstock . We needed the money , so we could get some furniture for our son's bedroom, etc. My wife didn't want me to sell that guitar because she knew how much I loved it, but family comes first . I just put the Fender logo on the headstock because I wanted to have as a close a replica of a classic fender I guess. If my son decides that he doesn't want to play the guitar , I will end up keeping it because with all the work I put into it, it still is a great sounding guitar.


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Post subject: Re: My Modded Butterscotch Affinity Tele.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:37 am
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Telecaster God wrote:
44james wrote:

Nothing wrong with a Squier....nothing wrong with a modified Squier......lots wrong with passing it off as a Fender.


A lot of folks tend to do that with their squiers and try to sell them. I have no intention of selling my guitars . I just put the Fender logo on the headstock because I wanted to have as a close a replica of a classic fender I guess.
Lame... oh, so incredibly lame. And you already admitted that you DID sell your previous FAKE Fender!

How about a thread with pics showing you putting an original Squier decal back on that guitar..?

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Post subject: Re: My Modded Butterscotch Affinity Tele.
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:27 am
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44james wrote:
Telecaster God, whatever mods you do to your guitars, for whatever reasons, fall into the "ok, it's your guitar...do what you want" category, except the fake Fender decal. That serves no purpose but to try to fool the unsuspecting into the belief that the guitar is a Fender, not a Squier, and therefore, probably more valuable.

Nothing wrong with a Squier....nothing wrong with a modified Squier......lots wrong with passing it off as a Fender.


+1

I love modding Fender guitars. That's part of the appeal. I bought a used MIM Telecaster and upgraded everything but the body and neck with real Fender parts. Got as close to an MIA Tele as I could, at about half the price. I love that guitar and the modding was a lot of fun.

What I DIDN'T do was scratch the "Made in Mexico" off the headstock.


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Post subject: Re: My Modded Butterscotch Affinity Tele.
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:42 am
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I know this is an old thread, but I accidentally bumped into it in a Google search question about Telecaster volume and tone knobs appropriate to different years of production.

Anyways, I feel I must add my opinion about the OP's modifications, including the replacement of the Squier logo with a Fender logo. I will admit I know nothing about whether he sold any Squier guitars to anyone while claiming they were Fenders, which some of y'all are suggesting. I don't think he admitted to doing this at all.

My concern, and my bewilderment, is the seriousness which which some posters have taken umbrage because of a label change. If I buy a Ford, and then rebadge it as a Lincoln, as long as I don't resell it as a Lincoln, I should - and do - have every right to do so. I laid down the cash for the vehicle; therefore, I own it, and can do anything to it I want.

This is a direct comparison, as Fender/Squier is the same as Lincoln/Ford: both are owned by the same company. But this isn't even the point. If I buy a Gibson LP, and decide - for whatever reason - that I like the look of the Fender logo better than the Gibson logo, I can get ahold of a Fender sticker, and slap it on the LP headstock any time, and for any reason, I want to. I don't buy a guitar, or anything else, in order to advertise its brand. Once it's paid for, it's mine, and I can do whatever I like to it, including sanding or scraping off the minuscule typeface that says where it was made.

I'm shocked by the brand loyalty here, extending to almost messianic insistence on the purity of the flimsy little decal on the headstock. Who cares what your headstock has on it? Are those who blow $2000+ on a high-end Fender or Custom Shop guitar jealously protecting their territory? I honestly wasn't even aware that one could purchase decals for headstocks until I read this thread, but now that I do know, I may just put a bit of elbow work into sanding off the atrociously ugly Squier logo on both my CV 50s Telecasters, and replace it with a Fender decal, or maybe a decal of another sort: something I at least like the look of.

And, as many have attested - so I don't need to go into detail - the CV 50s Teles' quality, playability, and sound seem even to have shocked Fender themselves, who raised the price (at least in Canada) a year after they were first introduced, making them more on par with Epiphones than entry level Affinitys and other Squier crap. Thus, putting a Fender logo on the headstock seems almost more of a tribute to the guitar's quality than an affront to those who suddenly had to realize (or make excuses for not realizing) that their $1400-$2000 American Standards and Deluxes did not sound appreciably better, nor were they any more durable on the road. I was one of these Fender snobs, owning an American Standard and a '52 Reissue (I'm a lefty, so I am somewhat restricted in my choices).

But, since I bought my two CV 50s, my Fender Vintage '52 Reissue Tele sits in its case in the dark, and I sold my AS, as its sound and feel just could not compete with the CV 50s. I made $300 on the AS, but that's not why I purchase a guitar, so it can "hold its value" or even appreciate, like an investment. I buy a guitar to keep forever - barring any disastrous financial woes. After playing the CVs, I couldn't even stand the feel, appearance (that awful glaringly pale maple fingerboard and so-called "nitro" painted Alder body - felt more like poly than the CVs!), or sound of the AS.

So, as long as one does not try to sell it to unsuspecting - and let's be honest, pretty dumb - people as a Fender, what's the harm in the guy putting a Fender logo on the stock? It's not his fault that Fender purposely makes their Squier logos look as if they were made for toy guitars (someone, please tell Fender to fire the designer of that god-awful logo!). As one person mentioned, I too like to tinker with my guitars, so with an upgrade to Custom Shop Blackguard pups, the same pots Fender uses for its best American guitars, a Bakelite pick guard, Grover tuners, compensated brass saddles, and Fender knobs, I have a $600 guitar that sounds, plays, and feels as good as, or better than, a $2500 "Vintage Reissue." The frets are perfect, and the neck is a joy to play on, so no mods needed there. (And before anyone chimes in with the "ash and alder are better than pine" for bodies, they should know that some of the first Teles and Broadcasters were made of pine, and pine is still used by custom guitar makers, as it is an excellent wood for resonance.) Thus, if I did choose to put the time into sanding and refinishing my stocks with a "Fender" spaghetti logo decal, and tinted nitrocellulose paint, why shouldn't I?

I know I won't do this, as I just don't have the patience for the sanding and painting, but if I did, I would feel perfectly comfortable in doing so, and indeed would feel I was honouring Fender by doing so: they have succeeded in making their "entry level" guitar (I'm talking about the CV 50s and CV 60s here) a serious competitor with their over-priced American models (excluding Custom Shop and Masterbuilds, obviously, but that's serious handmade art that only the few can afford). In fact, I am looking at the guitars right now, and thinking of how I love to play them so much, but the logo is like an ugly neon sign, screaming "cheap," which the CVs are not, so maybe I'll stick a Detroit Red Wings logo over the Squier logo, like Paul McCartney did with his Epiphone Texan, which he still plays today. No one from Epiphone, I'm sure, minds him doing this.

In short, two things emerge from my meandering thoughts: 1. I have a lefty '52 Vintage Reissue for sale if anyone is interested (writing this has convinced me to get rid of it; something I should have done long ago); 2. all you purists: keep your thinly-disguised and mistaken brand loyalty to yourselves if some guy just wants to pretty up his guitar with a Fender logo. They aren't made of real silver or gold, and if Fender keeps producing the CVs so well, I predict many more people will be searching for these decals, as after all, it is a Fender product.

Make no mistake: if the OP, or anyone else, has engaged in any nefarious behaviour by reselling Squiers as Fenders, I fully agree they should be roundly condemned for doing so (I don't believe it has been proven that the OP did this - he was just pounced upon by Fender purists, who made an unwarranted assumption). But, if one just wants a nicer looking headstock on a very nice guitar, leave them alone. They have every right to do whatever they wish with their personal property. Believe me, no one will ask them if their guitar is a real Fender once they hear it on stage or in the studio; they'll just recognize a great guitar, because in my experience, serious musicians do not care what your headstock logo looks like. Only collectors and snobs do, and if a collector mistakenly buys a rebadged Squire, thinking it to be a Fender, they need to do a bit more homework, because they won't be able to tell from sound or feel. They'll need to know to look inside the neck cavity, or learn how to recognize the difference between poly and nitro (in other words, [i]caveat emptor[i]).


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Post subject: Re: My Modded Butterscotch Affinity Tele.
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:49 am
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Considering the amount of fake Fenders sold (plus the fact that I see no reason to put an "F" brand sticker on one's own "S" brand guitar if one is older than thirteen), I agree with what those posters you referred to said - although not the tone in some posts.

Remember, you may sell your guitar as "a Squier with a fake Fender label", but what about the next time it's sold..? And the next..?


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