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Post subject: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:32 pm
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Hi, this might be a dumb question or one that's already been brought up but I've looked at other forums and can't seem to find the answer to my question: Is there a difference between a Telecaster bridge pickup and an Esquire pickup? (e.g. Would a tele pickup from '55 be the same as an esquire pickup from '55.)
I know the guitars sound different because of the different wiring and all that. All I want to know is if there is any actual difference between the pickups.


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:48 am
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Thera are no reason for different pickups in those guitar in 55.

Esquire are made for a budget guitar with only one PU . No reason Leo made another bridge PU for Esquire


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:18 pm
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I'm fairly certain that the pickups would be the same between in 50's era tele/broadcaster/esquire.

Not sure about the wiring. I think the first broadcaster used a larger capacitor in the tone control. This was done to bleed off even more treble to 'emulate' a bass. After the P-bass was introduced they switched to a smaller capacitor on the tone control. I don't know if this was done on the esquire or not.

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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:28 pm
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If you are talking about the "Blackguard" period of about 1950 to 1954, there were a lot of variations in Esquire/Broadcaster/Nocaster/Telecaster pickups, circuits, necks, and bodies. "The Blackguard" book by Nacho Banos goes into phenominal detail on these guitars with photos of disassembled guitars and details on all of their components. The book is the best book available, in my opinion, on the early guitars and is a bargain for the amount of detail it contains.

http://www.theblackguardbook.com/

The Esquire was never considered a "budget" or "beginner" guitar in the sense that Squier and Epiphone are today (even Epiphone was a high end guitar until Gibson bought them).

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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:48 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:

The Esquire was never considered a "budget" or "beginner" guitar in the sense that Squier and Epiphone are today (even Epiphone was a high end guitar until Gibson bought them).


That is not what I mean Squier have nothing to do with Esquire, but I was wrong the Esquire sale price in 1967 was $390 and Telecaster price go from $395 to $440. Not a beginner guitar.

From the book of AR Duchaussoir " The Fender Telecaster, the Esquire pickups is wired through two capacitors ans one resistor to offer a pre- set bassy sound with no tone control.

Capacitors are two 0.05 MFD and resistor is 3.3k ohms
Tone pot use another 0.05 MFD


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:25 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:

The Esquire was never considered a "budget" or "beginner" guitar in the sense that Squier and Epiphone are today (even Epiphone was a high end guitar until Gibson bought them).


That is not what I mean Squier have nothing to do with Esquire, but I was wrong the Esquire sale price in 1967 was $390 and Telecaster price go from $395 to $440. Not a beginner guitar.

From the book of AR Duchaussoir " The Fender Telecaster, the Esquire pickups is wired through two capacitors ans one resistor to offer a pre- set bassy sound with no tone control.

Capacitors are two 0.05 MFD and resistor is 3.3k ohms
Tone pot use another 0.05 MFD


Vintage Esquire wiring:

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... A_SISD.pdf

Broadcaster wiring:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wi ... ster_blend

Vintage telecaster wiring (mid/late 50's until the mid-60's):

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... C_SISD.pdf

Post mid-60's Telecaster wiring:

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... A_SISD.pdf

"Modern" Telecaster wiring:

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... A_SISD.pdf

There are even variations on these within the same time period.

Frankly, with regard to the early 50's Telecasters, Duchaussoir's book is a comic book compared to The Blackguard Book.

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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:18 pm
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I have also the Blackgard Book since is publication. This a very expensive book,( $95 ) but with so very nice pictures.

I would not call AR Duchossoir is a comic book but a good deal and well made book for low budget at $13. You see ,I use the word budget again ; )


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:38 pm
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I'd never heard of the Blackguard book. It looks interesting. I might have to buy it.

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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:19 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
I have also the Blackgard Book since is publication. This a very expensive book,( $95 ) but with so very nice pictures.

I would not call AR Duchossoir is a comic book but a good deal and well made book for low budget at $13. You see ,I use the word budget again ; )


The main problem with Duchossoir is that neither his book on Teles nor Strats has been updated since the early 90's.

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecaster-d ... uthor.html

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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:26 pm
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mhowell wrote:
I'd never heard of the Blackguard book. It looks interesting. I might have to buy it.


The book is fantastic, regardless of the price. There is no other book or magazine around where you will see so many early 50's Fender guitars completely disassembled and every detail and component shown in such great detail. The technical information on pickups, knobs, switches, etc. alone is worth the price of admission.

A cool part of the book is that you can select from a list of available serial numbers for the book which is then embossed on the bridge plate of the Blackguard shown on the front cover. My copy's serial number is "4254", my birthday. :mrgreen:

http://www.jklutherie.com/blackguard-te ... 4book.aspx

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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:20 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
If you are talking about the "Blackguard" period of about 1950 to 1954, there were a lot of variations in Esquire/Broadcaster/Nocaster/Telecaster pickups, circuits, necks, and bodies.


I was actually thinking more specifically along the lines of 1955 specifically.


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:16 am
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truMTV wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
If you are talking about the "Blackguard" period of about 1950 to 1954, there were a lot of variations in Esquire/Broadcaster/Nocaster/Telecaster pickups, circuits, necks, and bodies.


I was actually thinking more specifically along the lines of 1955 specifically.


Still plenty of variation. Why that specific year?

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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:55 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
truMTV wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
If you are talking about the "Blackguard" period of about 1950 to 1954, there were a lot of variations in Esquire/Broadcaster/Nocaster/Telecaster pickups, circuits, necks, and bodies.


I was actually thinking more specifically along the lines of 1955 specifically.


Still plenty of variation. Why that specific year?


Because I liked the way David Gilmour's Esquire sounded when he played the Cavern Club with Paul McCartney. His was a 1955 (modded by Seymour Duncan with a strat neck pickup). I know I can't get my guitar to sound exactly like his, but there was a certain quality to it that I liked. I'm not always big on the Telecaster or Esquire sound, but I really liked that one.


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster vs. Esquire
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:42 am
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truMTV wrote:
Because I liked the way David Gilmour's Esquire sounded when he played the Cavern Club with Paul McCartney. His was a 1955 (modded by Seymour Duncan with a strat neck pickup). I know I can't get my guitar to sound exactly like his, but there was a certain quality to it that I liked. I'm not always big on the Telecaster or Esquire sound, but I really liked that one.


Then I guess I don't get the point of your original post.

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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:42 am
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truMTV wrote:

Because I liked the way David Gilmour's Esquire sounded when he played the Cavern Club with Paul McCartney. His was a 1955 (modded by Seymour Duncan with a strat neck pickup). I know I can't get my guitar to sound exactly like his, but there was a certain quality to it that I liked. I'm not always big on the Telecaster or Esquire sound, but I really liked that one.


It is not only the pickups you need. It is his amp + effects , his guitar ( same aged wood etc ) , strings and what you need most it is his "fingers" .


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