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Post subject: Wide range into standard telecaster
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:31 pm
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I started a project modifing my standard telecaster to route a wide range reissue pickup in the neck position. but now it has no low end. any advice in how should I wire it? maybe changing the pots will help?


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Post subject: Re: Wide range into standard telecaster
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:18 pm
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Hey mate,

So you took a Standard Tele, took out the single coil, installed wide range reissue humbucking pickup and now theres no bass sound?

So does the new neck pickup, when selected by itself, have no low end? or does the low end disappear only when the pickup selector is using both the front and rear pickup together?

If the later, one thing to check would be to check the strength of the pickup out of the guitar, then check it when its wired up proper.

Heres how you check that on a pickupt thats out of the guitar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UfxQBhq ... re=related
(he explains how to read the output of a pickup as one of the first things he does, thats pretty much all you need out of that video)

You do the same once its wired IN the guitar, but use a guitar lead of the the guitar and then connect your multimeter to the positive and negative tip of the guitar lead.

It should read the same for the pickup out of the guitar and in the guitar. That way you know you have it wired correctly. If thats the case, then your lack of bass has everything to do with the pickup and nothing to do with what you've done. The pots wont effect the bass of everything is turned on full.

You're looking for a reading in the 10k+ range, I don't know how hot those Wide Range pickups are, but as a rule of thumb single coils give you a reading around the 6k mark, humbucker should be around double that.

If the bass only drops out when you have both pickups selected on the guitar then you've wired it incorrectly, swap your hot and ground wired around.

The other thing that could be happening is that given its a Humbucker you could be perceiving the gain in mids a loss in bass. Thats and outside the box idea as a man who has the tools required to pull apart a guitar, cut into and solder it back up should be able to determine what he is hearing.

Got anyquestions about that fire back a post and I'll try and help.

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Post subject: Re: Wide range into standard telecaster
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:21 am
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to have no low end using a WR humbucker is quite an achievement ! assuming its the same as in my '72 custom RI, they are very bass heavy humbuckers. i assume you heard one before you started fitting it, its an acquired taste if you ask me. it certainly wont sound like a 'normal' humbucker.


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Post subject: Re: Wide range into standard telecaster
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:43 am
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well hold on a minute..

you changed the pickup to a humbucker, but did you change the volume and tone pot?

I'm not sure how a 250k pot would actually "work" for a bucker...

and,, then again,,,, with a single tone and volume, there's something else that will be needed to co-exist with the bridge pickup.


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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:47 am
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KidBlast wrote:
well hold on a minute..

you changed the pickup to a humbucker, but did you change the volume and tone pot?

I'm not sure how a 250k pot would actually "work" for a bucker...

and,, then again,,,, with a single tone and volume, there's something else that will be needed to co-exist with the bridge pickup.



I actually tested it with several pots (500, 500b, !k, etc) and it still won´t work properlly, so I start to think the problem is on the pickup, not the wiring


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Post subject: Re: Wide range into standard telecaster
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:51 am
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Impulse7 wrote:
Hey mate,

So you took a Standard Tele, took out the single coil, installed wide range reissue humbucking pickup and now theres no bass sound?

So does the new neck pickup, when selected by itself, have no low end? or does the low end disappear only when the pickup selector is using both the front and rear pickup together?

If the later, one thing to check would be to check the strength of the pickup out of the guitar, then check it when its wired up proper.

Heres how you check that on a pickupt thats out of the guitar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UfxQBhq ... re=related
(he explains how to read the output of a pickup as one of the first things he does, thats pretty much all you need out of that video)

You do the same once its wired IN the guitar, but use a guitar lead of the the guitar and then connect your multimeter to the positive and negative tip of the guitar lead.

It should read the same for the pickup out of the guitar and in the guitar. That way you know you have it wired correctly. If thats the case, then your lack of bass has everything to do with the pickup and nothing to do with what you've done. The pots wont effect the bass of everything is turned on full.

You're looking for a reading in the 10k+ range, I don't know how hot those Wide Range pickups are, but as a rule of thumb single coils give you a reading around the 6k mark, humbucker should be around double that.

If the bass only drops out when you have both pickups selected on the guitar then you've wired it incorrectly, swap your hot and ground wired around.

The other thing that could be happening is that given its a Humbucker you could be perceiving the gain in mids a loss in bass. Thats and outside the box idea as a man who has the tools required to pull apart a guitar, cut into and solder it back up should be able to determine what he is hearing.

Got anyquestions about that fire back a post and I'll try and help.



The problem keeps the same on both neck and midle positions. I had normal readings, even tried a cap to make both pickups more "compatible" both it kept the same. Ithink the problem is on the pick up, but don´t know how to check a pickup or test it.


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Post subject: Re: Wide range into standard telecaster
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:50 am
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:52 am
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chromeface wrote:
Ask wiring gurus Martian and Andy.


And how do I contact them?


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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:05 pm
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The way to test it is in that YouTube video. If u take some pictures of how u wired in the pickup that would also help us to help u.

Also tell us the output reading of the pickup, and the make of the pickup. That way we can ensure its outputting at correct range.

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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:05 am
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yomismopues wrote:
And how do I contact them?


By sending a PM.

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Post subject: Re: Wide range into standard telecaster
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:02 pm
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Impulse7 wrote:
The way to test it is in that YouTube video. If u take some pictures of how u wired in the pickup that would also help us to help u.

Also tell us the output reading of the pickup, and the make of the pickup. That way we can ensure its outputting at correct range.


the single coil pickup marks 5k but the wide range goes to infinite, what does it mean?


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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:53 pm
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yomismopues wrote:
Impulse7 wrote:
The way to test it is in that YouTube video. If u take some pictures of how u wired in the pickup that would also help us to help u.

Also tell us the output reading of the pickup, and the make of the pickup. That way we can ensure its outputting at correct range.


the single coil pickup marks 5k but the wide range goes to infinite, what does it mean?


The resistance value of the pots are irrelevant as far as this issue is concerned for if anything, 250K ohm pots would make a normally functioning HB sound all the more 'beefier'.

Typically, a WR pickup ohms reading should be in the low 8K range. The fact that you are getting infinite resistance implies that there's an outright short in your pickup somewhere. It could be in one of the lead wires or with one of the coils.

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:09 pm
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I go to all the effort of explaining the process and Martian comes and steals my thunder ;)

But, typically for Martian, he's right. So take that pickup out, test it outside of the guitar, just to make sure you haven't got some solder joining your +/- on the switch it self (which could result in the infinite reading you've gotten). If the short is inside the pickup, send that badboy back.

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Post subject: Re: Wide range into standard telecaster
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:32 am
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Typically, a WR pickup ohms reading should be in the low 8K range. The fact that you are getting infinite resistance implies that there's an outright short in your pickup somewhere. It could be in one of the lead wires or with one of the coils.[/quote]


Thanks. I sent the pickup to the luthier. He said he would check for a short. will let you know the results


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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:49 am
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yomismopues wrote:
Typically, a WR pickup ohms reading should be in the low 8K range. The fact that you are getting infinite resistance implies that there's an outright short in your pickup somewhere. It could be in one of the lead wires or with one of the coils.



Thanks. I sent the pickup to the luthier. He said he would check for a short. will let you know the results[/quote]

You're welcome and please do.

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