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Post subject: Hot Rod Deville 2x12 Too Loud!!
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:42 pm
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Hey there guys. I had a question regarding my hot rod deville 2x12 amp. I bought this amp a few months ago and have been really pleased with the tone. Clean is beautiful. Pedals are needed for some harder rocking sounds though. My biggest question was if any of you guys thought the amp was really loud. I know that with rock you can never be "too loud" but It just seems that I cant turn the amp up past 1 before the amp begins to rattle everything in my room. I know tube amps are louder than solid state amps but I want to be able to drive the tubes and play at a louder level without blowing out my ear drums. Do you guys have any suggestions or solutions to this problem?

Thank you guys for your feedback


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deville 2x12 Too Loud!!
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:58 pm
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I have a Hot Rod Deluxe 1x12, and it is loud. I love the sound of it, but it is not a good bedroom practice amp. I have a Blackheart Little Giant (on the 3 watt setting) that I use most of the time. I use my Carl Martin Plexi Tone for drive on both, it allows me to dial in the dirty I want at resonable levels...without rattling the paint off the walls. The HRDlx, has 3 channels, but I only use the clean anyway. If I just want to hear myself play...I drag my Roland Micro Cube around. It's a nice little amp for what it is, enough effects built into it to keep it fun, and runs on batteries if needed.


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deville 2x12 Too Loud!!
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:20 pm
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Age old issue with the tubes amps. How do you play with

1) Nice tone caused by overdriven tubes
2) at bedroom levels.

The first issue is to use a lower wattage amp, theres a couple million out there (ZVEX do a 1 watter if I remember correctly). Still that wont help you. What you need is an attenuator.

One of these such as the Marshall Power break or my fav the THD hotplate take the power associated with the amplified output, at the correct impedance, and bleeds some of that power to ground or converts that energy to heat. It sits between your speaker and your amp. This allows you to get the tone of a cranked amp but at lower volume levels. The attenuators have a volume level knob, so you can pick the amount of "bleed" for the original signal thats sent to the speaker.

The downside is if you boost with a pedal, or with a separate channel on the amp, the attenuator will massive diminish the amount of boost you get. In my case, with pedals, the boost volume was indistinguishable. The tone changed as expected but volume didn't because the attenuator was doing its job.

Something to think about.

Any way, thats what you need. DON'T GET A VOLUME BOX, they aren't attenuators and have to stick those before the power section of your amp. you want something after the powersection for tone and therefore needs an attenuator

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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deville 2x12 Too Loud!!
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:31 am
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same with my Fender 4 x 10 Deville.The mofo is loud. I don't even turn it on at home. I use a little hohner practice amp at home with a zoom g2..At clubs I don't turn the Deville past 2


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deville 2x12 Too Loud!!
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:21 pm
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the reason behind this issue is that Fender uses a linear taper pots which make a big leap between 1 and 3. There is a MOD for these issues, replacing them with an audio taper pot, which works out worlds better. Yet nobody knows why Fender never corrected this in the first place....


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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deville 2x12 Too Loud!!
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:57 pm
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Xcrunner129 wrote:
Hey there guys. I had a question regarding my hot rod deville 2x12 amp. I bought this amp a few months ago and have been really pleased with the tone. Clean is beautiful. Pedals are needed for some harder rocking sounds though. My biggest question was if any of you guys thought the amp was really loud. I know that with rock you can never be "too loud" but It just seems that I cant turn the amp up past 1 before the amp begins to rattle everything in my room. I know tube amps are louder than solid state amps but I want to be able to drive the tubes and play at a louder level without blowing out my ear drums. Do you guys have any suggestions or solutions to this problem?

Thank you guys for your feedback

What do you mean "I know tube amps are louder than solid state"?

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Post subject: Re: Hot Rod Deville 2x12 Too Loud!!
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:36 pm
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Dude, get a Fender Champion 600 and use it for home practice. Use the other amp for when you play out with a band.

I'd worry more about learning to play what's in my head and becoming proficient in the instrument before worrying about tone and volume. The tone will come as you improve your playing.


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