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Post subject: Re: Finish issues - curious response from Fender
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:09 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
I don't think you'll find much sympathy here. :roll:

Wasn't looking for sympathy - or smarty-britches dissertations.

I asked for suggestions.

Maybe some intelligent conversation from people who know their Fenders to boot.
(Found some finally - see below)



Butterscotch wrote:
No. And I wish you luck in getting this resolved!

Thanks, Buddy!



leewaun wrote:
... I didn't think it looked all that awesome anyway.

OUCH!

That hurts!!!

Care to post your guitar collection so I can judge it and comment on your choices?
We'll see how yours compares, then maybe measure our genitals to make sure... :lol:



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And forgive me for saying so, but as a life-long professional woodworker, if that's the nicest piece of ash you've ever seen in a Fender guitar body in 30 long years, you didn't look around enough.
That is serious plain-Jane, plain grain, flat-sawn ash, nothing more.

I like it - a lot.

I'm not a life-long woodworker, but I've owned over 100 guitars.
This was the first Tele for me - due entirely to my fondness for the grain pattern.
It played well, the price was decent, so I grabbed it.

(I'm more of a Strat guy - sorry!)


CRGuitarMan wrote:
Frankly, I prefer the tighter ash grain in this guitar body.

Sure - they each have their merit.
But Ash is one wood I like for the wide, highly defined grain patterns like mine.
Mahogany, Maple, Walnut, etc., all have their unique characteristics - and unique/subjective appeal.



CRGuitarMan wrote:
The best looking wood in guitars is that which has been rift-sawn, accidentally (which happens a lot) or on purpose.

Yeah, I chat with my father-in-law about this now and then.
He was a lumberjack in Canada in the early/mid fifties.
His idea of lumber is structural.
He chuckles and shakes his head when we talk guitars and such finery...



CRGuitarMan wrote:
I'll have to side with Fender on this one

You may.
(As long as you're not too much of a smarty-britches, eh?) :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Finish issues - curious response from Fender
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:38 pm
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Mac Avelli wrote:
Maybe some intelligent conversation from people who know their Fenders to boot.
(Found some finally - see below)


Awww, you left these two out.

tbazzone wrote:
Sounds like complete BS to me


leewaun wrote:
Fender has more than gone the extra mile for this customer. If he won't accept either body then he can pay for refinishing himself.

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Post subject: Re: Finish issues - curious response from Fender
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:55 pm
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“Defective components that qualify for coverage under this warranty will be repaired or replaced (at Fender's discretion) without charge. Remedies beyond normal service repair of any Fender instrument require both an evaluation and confirmation of the defect and a direct recommendation to Fender from an Authorized Fender Service Center for alternative considerations.”

There is the card they hold. It's their discretion on what will be done, not yours.

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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:07 pm
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tyronne wrote:
There is the card they hold. It's their discretion on what will be done, not yours.


You'll find clause that written into every warranty. In the UK it's part of Statutory law. That the manufacturer can either repair, replace or refund at their discretion. Within varying time frames depending on the nature of the product in dispute.
Six years on a laptop, I found out.

Siding with Fender. They've gone well above and beyond the call of duty to offer the choice between two pieces of lumber.


As an aside, and this is all supposition. I expect that Fender do not offer refinishes because they would not immediately solve the initial problem that so caused the kind of specific damage we see in this case. There is obviously some chemical that has come into contact with the guitar before or after the finish was applied. To prove when that substance came to contact the guitar is going to be very difficult to prove. Probably why they take such an easy going approach to such cases.

Imagine if they went to all the trouble of stripping the urethane from your guitar body. Only to be told that you don't like the hue of the current paint/lacquer. Or that exactly the same problem happened a year later. Because the lacquer doesn't like your brand of soap. Or the problem is in the wood.
Far easier to just give you a new body.

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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:03 pm
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tyronne wrote:
It's their discretion on what will be done, not yours.

Yep - which is why I mentioned we are at an impasse.

I'm patient.

We'll see.


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I expect that Fender do not offer refinishes because they would not immediately solve the initial problem that so caused the kind of specific damage we see in this case. There is obviously some chemical that has come into contact with the guitar before or after the finish was applied. To prove when that substance came to contact the guitar is going to be very difficult to prove. Probably why they take such an easy going approach to such cases.

Yeah - when the manager I spoke with said they rarely hear of such an issue?
I told him that this is a first for me too.
This is the newest Fender I own, after all.

Hell, I've owned the worst out there - seventies CBS guitars - and the paint didn't come off...


nikininja wrote:
Imagine if they went to all the trouble of stripping the urethane from your guitar body. Only to be told that you don't like the hue of the current paint/lacquer.

Hue is no concern to me - shoot it clear like it was before.
As long as it doesn't lift and go cloudy, I'm good.



nikininja wrote:
Or that exactly the same problem happened a year later.

Well, I mentioned that I would waive a finish warranty from that point forward.
No dice.



nikininja wrote:
Because the lacquer doesn't like your brand of soap.
Or the problem is in the wood.

My guess is that the wood wasn't prepped around the neck pocket before the clear was sprayed.



nikininja wrote:
Far easier to just give you a new body.

Yeah - easy is the operative term.
One more company who used to excel at customer service...
Now they aren't really concerned as long as GUITAR CENTER keeps buying boat-loads of Squiers from China.
They aren't worried too much about guys like me who spend house money on guitars, eh?

We'll see where they want to focus their efforts.
Do they want discerning buyers with discretionary income, or kiddies with Squiers on their Christmas lists?

They can make that decision either way, and then I can make my future guitar-buying decisions accordingly.

Fender isn't the only game in town.
And if I want one, I can continue to assemble my own from used parts as I have in the past.


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Post subject: Re: Finish issues - curious response from Fender
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:28 pm
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Mac Avelli wrote:
tyronne wrote:
It's their discretion on what will be done, not yours.

Yep - which is why I mentioned we are at an impasse.

I'm patient.

We'll see.


When is it going to sink in that Fender has fullfilled their warranty obligation to you. They have offered you the choice of two brand new bodies, fully warranteed I would guess. But you stubbornly refuse.

Do you really expect anybody here to believe that if Fender resprayed your current guitar body and that if there were the tiniest imperfection in it, that you wouldn't be back here whining and moaning about how Fender screwed you over? Give me a break.

At this point, Fender has no other obligation to you. You have refused their offer. They are free to turn their back on you and say "Bye-Bye".

Go ahead and abandon Fender. Go buy a Les Paul. I look forward to reading on The Gear Page your post moaning about how your new LP fell off its guitar stand onto your carpeted floor and the headstock snapped off. They are willing to repair it but you want a new guitar.

You are not a good customer. You are the nightmare customer that companies hate because even if they bend over backward for you, its not good enough. I hope you do have a lot of patience because I have the feeling you'll be waiting a long time for Fender to change their mind. They have nothing to lose.

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Post subject: Re: Finish issues - curious response from Fender
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:51 am
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Gibson charge $1800 for a basic headstock repair. And you lose all warranty on the guitar.

I really don't think you'd get a better response from any other manufacturer than the one you've received from Fender.

Repair, replace or refund at the manufacturers discretion seems to be law in your country too.

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Post subject: Re: Finish issues - curious response from Fender
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:20 am
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Do you have any pics of the damage? Not taking sides, just very curious to see.

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Post subject: Re: Finish issues - curious response from Fender
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:53 am
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Having read this thread, I have to ask:

What do you expect to happen now?

You've already said that Fender aren't willing (or equipped) to refinish your existing body.

Having stripped a poly finish off of a Strat body in the past I can understand why - it take forever and never gives particularly good results, I certainly wouldn't hold out much confidence of it looking that great under a clear finish such as you currently have, not without them spending more time on it than it takes to build a guitar from scratch - surely you can understand their point on that one.

I can appreciate your wanting to keep that body, I too like that sort of wide grain on an Ash Telecaster, but I think you might have to accept that you either have to take one of the 2 bodies Fender is offering you, or if keeping your existing body means that much to you, get it refinished yourself.

You mention that the guitar is relatively new, perhaps Fender want to get it back so they can investigate why it happened and try to prevent it in the future...yeah I know, clutching at straws there!!

I suspect your ideal scenario (barring Fender refinishing the body for you) would be for Fender to let you have 1 of the replacement bodies but let you keep your existing body...that way you could still get it refinished but have a new body in case the refinish didn't come out right. Sadly I don't see that happening though...it's normal practise for faulty parts to be returned to the manufacturer to avoid repeat claims against them (I'm not suggesting you would, but imagine if someone had a faulty body they could buy several different guitars and make claims against each of them and end up with several brand new Fender bodies that they could then sell on via eBay or wherever).

I hate to say it, but I think you might have to accept that Fender aren't going to offer any more than they currently are...

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Post subject: Re: Finish issues - curious response from Fender
Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:20 pm
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Hello there Mac Avelli et. al.,
There are some will think it uhhhh...let's call it "ill-advised" to respond online in a public forum (me being one of them-albeit a Fender-run forum). That's ok. I don't think I'm a whole lot different online than I am offline.

First of all...from the pictures posted I agree that it is a beautifully figured body and I wouldn't wanna give it up either.
What is missing from the descriptions and not mentioned is that its a "production" body. Though I haven't worked in our manufacturing area for quite some time, i think i am accurate in saying that they don't run one of these at a time. They run many at a time. That is what production is. Once in awhile, a guitar comes down the line with a beautiful birds-eye maple neck, once in awhile a guitar comes down the line with a very nice grain.....like yours. But it is production. At the end of the day, it gets polished, put in a case, put in a box and shipped to our Distribution Center. From there....someone will get lucky and receive that extra cool body or extra cool neck(Congrats!). But again.....though it may have been noticed as exceptional by the people building it, it is still production and is handled that way.
I don't believe that Fender has disagreed with you that this is under warrranty, even though there is often "gray-area" on finish issues. What warranty covers (as you copied and pasted) is defects in manufacturing or defective workmanship.
The policies that I have set forth to handle this is that "tie goes to the runner" , if its gray (grey?) area, then the customer gets it.....in other words....do the right thing.
I'm assuming that you have a copy of your original receipt so this would give us these options to cover this warranty-----replace the body at no charge, replace the guitar with a like model or similar model, replace the guitar with another FMIC product of equal value to the price you paid, or refund your purchase in full.

Yes we do have many Fender Authorized Service Centers who will repair your instrument at no charge if it falls under warranty. Though some of them are technically proficient enough to refinish guitars and we may recommend them for such, there are NO Authorized Fender Service Centers that are authorized to refinish a Fender/FMIC guitar under warranty. Put another way.....We DO NOT Authorize the refinishing of Fender guitars under warranty.

nikinija and AdrianJordanMusic touched on that a bit. Poly finished guitars do not refinish particularly easily or particularly well. This finish gets right into the grain and not only do you have to strip the finish, but in all liklihood you will have to do some sanding as well.
Somewhere along the line somebody who ran Customer Service determined that this is a third party service we would not offer. I happen to agree. I honestly don't know exactly what the actual cost of a 3rd Party stripping, sanding, and refinishing is, but what I do know is that it is prohibitive in a warranty situation.

So it isn't that the "Brothers Schwartz" aren't willing to discuss the matter (though what my brother has to do with this, I don't know), it is that I am very close with the team of people we have entrusted to take care of our customers and I am very aware of what has been offered to you and discussed with you. I also support those people who I work with and their decisions and judgements. So, its not that I'm not willing to discuss it or don't care, its that it appears that those you've already spoken too have done what they can to reasonably help you, and I really don't have anything to add to that.

However Fender is portrayed, i am witness to the people who work here and the musicians and crafts people who work here and I know how much they care.

So again, I believe that I understand your frustration and again...totally agree that what you have is a beautifully figured Tele body. Nonetheless, we feel that we've done our very best to give you the options that we can, and then some.

Now, speaking strictly personally.....like you....I wouldn't trade that body in for nothin either, especially considering its a production body. Unlike you however, after 7 years of owning a guitar, I'm more of the Willie Nelson school of thought, If it sounds good, and it plays good, then I'm good. But I know thats just me.

At any rate, if you care to PM me, or just post a reply, I'm all ears.

Have a great weekend folks!!
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Post subject: Re: Finish issues - curious response from Fender
Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:41 pm
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Bravo Rob. Well said.

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Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 4:47 am
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Quote: "why would the finish decide to lift off the body after seven years?"



To me, this is the most interesting question.

Remember, Nitro Cellulose Finishes have been around for a very long time indeed. The technologies surrounding them and the potentials problems regarding them, have all been widely explored by Industry Specialists, for numerous decades, ad nauseam.

Today, because of Governmental intervention in regard to Volatile Emissions from Factories, (Fumes like evaporating thinners pouring out from chimneys). Manufacturers have been forced by Incoming Legislation to become very Eco Friendly, move to Water Based and Other Paints, and depending on the technology utilised, various types of far more Environmentally Healthy, and Long Term Finish Solutions, that are properly Sustainable.

For Society as a whole, for Factory Workers in particular, and those that reside adjacent to Manufacturing Plants, this is most assuredly a highly laudable change. However, relatively speaking, although safer technologies have been around for a considerable time now. Manufacturers are still in a learning curve about the multi - various consumer related problems that can occur in different extremes of environment over time, in comparison to Finishes they have known for very many Decades.



There may have been a contaminating influence come in contact during Manufacture with this localised area of the Guitar.

Strange as it may seem, a Hand Finisher or Production Worker deodorant, hand cream, skin moisturiser or anything just as obscure, but something quite beyond the imagination and controllability of the Manufacturer is very possibly one of the active ingredients in causing the problem.

Usually, long term employees learn that personal hygiene products can cause such outlandish difficulties. Sometimes where employees are hired for short term peaks in the production cycle, difficult to eliminate personal variables like this, can sometime slip through the net.



But I write, one of the active ingredients, for a reason.

Because I would not be at all surprised to find that the customers method of storage, its length of tenure in that storage, and the strictly controlled environment in regard to temperature and humidity, play an even greater role that the possibility of contamination as outlined above. Most probably, a complex combination of obscure and diverse elements, such as those described, are involved

Also, different types of Material and Finish are cured in different ways as different Manufacturers utilise different Paint Technologies and methods of curing. Some have at times experimented. Others utilised UV Light Curing methods. For instance, if a Light Curing Finish was used, as these sometimes take a lot of time to cure, if they ever really do, this could complicate that process. Others use Humidity, and others Heat, or more probably both.

But the point is this. Starved of Sunlight and just as important, the concomitant Heat one naturally associates with that, and even natural Humidity, one could appreciate how a hiatus and retardation could occur, in completely curing certain types of Finish.



I was in meeting in a Bankers Office a little while ago and it was an especially warm and sunny day. Sat directly underneath the big air conditioning unit it was extremely refreshing. At first!

After some time it became a little cold, I started sniffing, and by the time the meeting had finished and I had sat still in that environment a long while, I was actually holding a handkerchief to my nose, I was sneezing, and by now, my body was absolutely freezing cold.

I think Modern Guitar Finishes can be similarly affected by elongated periods in such circumstances, and it follows a pattern I have repeatedly observed for a considerable time now, where experienced Guitarist's trying to do the right thing, have actually left their Instruments in what can become a potentially vulnerable position in regard to Finish Problems, over a very long and extended period of time.

Of course, it's difficult to be too precise when one hasn't seen the Guitar one's self. But I have drawn upon my experience in Manufacturing Technology, to give a kind of reasonable overview to illustrate in an easy to understand manner, the type of condition's where this kind of problem can sometimes occur.

Most often, they occur when an Instrument is subjected to a sudden, rapid change of environment, and take place in what is in reality, a relatively short space of time as a result, and becasue of that we forget that the opposite extreme is just as bad. But whatever the actual cause is, there will be a comprehendible reason.

The rule of thumb is, pick an environment for your prized Musical Instrument, that you yourself would stay in very happily for extremely elongated periods yourself. I couldn't do it in the Bank.




Quote: "It has spent seven years in my climate-controlled home, inside a large storage cabinet."




So although the owner would say this is a clear case of a Manufacturing Fault.

My experience tell me that in all probability, the owner is equally possible to be seen culpable.

Given that he has owned the Instrument for Seven Years without any such problem, he in fact, is rather more likely, to be seen as far more culpable, than the Manufacturer itself.

This is the fuller light, in which the actual balance of the argument, should rightly be seen, as a matter to enable a proper over view and judgement.



Now as a Lover of Fine Musical Instruments, I can completely understand the ideals and sensibilities regarding the aesthetics of the Instrument that the owner has emotively expressed.

However, as someone with strong links to many Manufacturing Operations around the World, (none of which involve Fender) I can completely appreciate that it would simply not be cost effective for a Manufacturer, to attempt to repair such an Instrument.

To have a unit that undertook such work in a Modern Factory, goes entirely against the grain of Lean Manufacturing Methods, that help to keep the cost of Instruments affordable, for the greater good of all.

Nor indeed, would such a repair, in the finality, be likely to meet, with the owners very high ideals.



I for one, am pleased that Rob Schwarz has taken the trouble to respond.

Customer Care is always well worth the time and trouble it takes, and that's not just my opinion, but highly detailed market research I am privy to, has shown that going the extra mile and satisfying a valued customer makes good business sense.

It results in establishing Brand Loyalty, burgeoning Repeat Sales, and the delighted customer acting as an Active Advert for the Good Values, underpinning a Quality Company.




The problem here, as I see it, is that the customer believes he can embarrass Fender into doing what he wants, regardless of any of the other factors involved.

However, he has not taken into proper account that Fender has no actual Facility for this, or that The Instrument he gets back may not be as he envisages even if they could repair it, nor that unquestioningly, there may be further eruptions of Lifting Finish, that have yet to occur on that particular Body.

This last point, is one on which I believe the owner should linger awhile, and fully think through the implications of. Under the circumstances, I believe Fender have already gone more than the extra mile, to attempt to provide a satisfactory customer experience and conclusion to the problem.

When you comprehend the last point properly, you can see that Fender are actually offering the very best option possible.




However!

One thing I don't understand is this.

The customer in question appears to be an extremely particular, highly discriminating and very demanding consumer, the type that does his homework, and knows what he is buying.

But it is a widely known fact, right across the Guitar Community, that Urethane, Polyurethane and Polyester Finishes are extremely difficult to repair, indeed regarded by the majority of the Musical Instrument Industry, as impossible. They are simply not cost effective, in this regard.

One well loved advantage of older technology Nitro Cellulose Finishes, is that they are far easier to repair, and this also is very widely known indeed and why they are highly regarded.



When a customer makes their choice about the purchase of a Musical Instrument, they should not only consider the Grain and look of the book matched wood, but also the quality and reparability of the Finish utilised in its Manufacture. These are both highly relevant, deeply important factors to weigh up, prior to purchase.

The owner himself chose not only the particular piece of Body Wood, but also the type of Finish that came with it. This includes, all the well known accompanying limitations, regarding the difficulties and inabilities to Repair such a Finish.

And the owner was probably more than chuffed, at the very reasonable cost , he was able to acquire the Instrument for.

It's another important part of the equation.



If you anticipate, environment and climate could be a potential problem to the Finish, then one is well advised, to purchase a Finish, that is Repairable. I believe that is reasonable.

Of course we know for a fact, that the owner did anticipate this problem, because he has opened his original post by deeply labouring the point regarding the carefulness he has taken, especially in relation to storage in an air conditioning environment etc.



Now we would all like to have our cake and eat it of course.

But under the circumstances, having personally chosen a Highly Prized, but crucially, a Non Repairable Finish Instrument, for an Environment that crucially Requires Climatic Control, it seems somewhat beyond the pale, to subsequently demand that Repairs then be effected to that Instrument. Especially when in my honest opinion, because of the storage environment in which he has left it, he is in all probability to a large degree responsible, for creating the problem in the first place.

I think Fender have been extremely generous, seemingly bending over backwards to provide a satisfactory conclusion to their customers problems. Problems, I do believe the owner is at the very least, partially responsible for himself.

I would unquestioningly grab with both hands, Fenders extremely gracious offer, while it's on the Table.

They have more than fulfilled, their every liability.




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Post subject: Re: Finish issues - curious response from Fender
Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 9:01 am
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Seems like fender is being fair IMO. Did fender offer to show you pics of the two bodies they would replace yours with? Just curious and best of luck with your decision.


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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 1:48 pm
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That is a lovely looking Tele Mac, exactly the kind I am hoping to have one day.


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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:50 pm
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I am a die hard Fender guy! My amps, guitars are all Fender. IMO Fender has gone way above and beyond in this case. Unless the guitar does nto sound or play well due to this small blemish then just deal with it. Fender gave youa nice set of options, you said no...so now you either deal with it and drive on or take one of the courses of action give. But please quit acting as if Fender has done you wrong.
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