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Post subject: la cabronita low E tuning problems
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:39 pm
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Hello

I'm having a problem with the tuning on my low E string on my la cabronita tele
the inotation and nut height is all correct. it only happens on the low E string all the others are fine, it just seems to fluctuate when tuning with my tuner , Can anyone help ?

I haven't adjusted the truss rod could that help ? if so more relief or less ?


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Post subject: Re: la cabronita low E tuning problems
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:43 pm
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Check to make sure the screws and nut on the E string tuner are snug. If that don't help, increase the relief until the string stabilizes.


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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:11 pm
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Don't forget to check that the screws on the neck plate are tight.


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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:06 am
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If it's only one string, truss rod should not be re-adjusted.
Check the height at the bridge.

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Post subject: Re: la cabronita low E tuning problems
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:24 am
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String height has no effect, the strings are all set to the standard 1.6mm
seems like the truss rod maybe the problem but have never adjusted one before so am not very confident. also its a bi-flex truss rod.

thanks for the help guys keep the ideas coming, would take it to my guitar tech but cant get there at the moment.


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Post subject: Re: la cabronita low E tuning problems
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:41 am
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alainlafrance wrote:
If it's only one string, truss rod should not be re-adjusted.
Check the height at the bridge.


The way I adjust tension on some of the necks I play for certain styles of music and for certain types of practice sessions is just under normal tension (a bit loose) and always; the E string will either oscillate in and out of pitch with correct string height and correct bridge specs or rattle noticeably with faint rattle on the rest of the strings. The instant I turn the truss rod a hint tighter towards normal tension, the oscillation or rattle on the E string will diminish until at normal tension, it's gone!

I'd have suggested the bridge adjustment but Sambowman said: "the inotation and nut height is all correct."

If the intonation is correct from the 1st fret to the last fret and there's no fretting out anywhere on the neck, this means the nut and bridge are setup correctly, and the symptom clearly indicates the neck bow is too convex!

Also, if after all is said and done and the string still oscillates in and out of pitch, it could be a cracked peg hole. ...I've dealt with this exact issue on two Squier strats.


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Post subject: Re: la cabronita low E tuning problems
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:30 am
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Im going to try and add more relief by a 1/8 of a turn to the truss rod i hope it might kill two birds and help the small fret buzz problem i have been having too, just seems like i should decrease the relief instead of increasing it to get more tuning stabilty so that the neck works against the tension the strings ?, anyway i will soon find out, will let you know what happens.


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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:15 am
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sambowman wrote:
Im going to try and add more relief by a 1/8 of a turn to the truss rod i hope it might kill two birds and help the small fret buzz problem i have been having too, just seems like i should decrease the relief instead of increasing it to get more tuning stabilty so that the neck works against the tension the strings ?, anyway i will soon find out, will let you know what happens.


If you make the neck flatter, that is, decrease the relief, you'll need higher string height to eliminate fret buzz, string rattle, and pitch oscillation. The strings are drawn closer to the neck with a flatter neck. If you make the neck more curved, that is, increase the relief, you'll have to battle harder feeling strings via higher string height from the adjustment, you'll need to lower the strings, which will introduce fret buzz too. So, if you want "buttery" feel without too much fret buzz, just useful grit, or just clean tone, you'll have to find the sweet spot on each guitar by roughing it out per the specs and then dial everything in and out until you find the perfect balance between play-ability and string tension.

FYI, when you increase relief, in the event you are unaware, the string height should increase a bit because you are pulling the strings away from the neck by increasing the tension. In order for the guitar to be playable, you'll need to lower the strings. But, then, you may get more or the same fret buzz. If you want to eliminate the fret buzz and make the strings tighter, you'll also have to check and adjust the string height before and after the neck adjustment, it's a balancing act...! Then, you gotta re-check intonation to make the final adjustments. You'll probably need to flatten the intonation a bit after you increase the neck bow a bit, sharpen it if you decrease the bow, for future reference.

...sometimes it takes a year and more to get a guitar to settle into the perfect balance, and then the season changes and you must know how to make slight compensations without throwing the whole thing out of whack...colder, adjust looser. warmer, adjust tighter, that's it.

Also, use good, hard strings if you're that picky...Dean Markley Blue Steel are quite hard as compared to others. Fenders sound the best on Fenders, but the Blue Steels achieve a better feel, harder tone, sometimes better, sometimes not. So, I use Dean Markley on some guitars, Fender Super Bullets on others and...then...adjust according to the string type!!!

...sometimes I play around with setups. I'll setup a loose neck with high action via 9's, then throw on 10's and get the perfect feel...after rechecking string height and then intonation!

If you fiddle around with a few floyd roses and kahlers and fender floating bridges, you'll learn how to do predictive tuning based on neck bow, string height, intonantion...just dial things in and out for shite's n' giggles...picking up a fixed bridge and laughing knowing you have complete command over the tuning, the tuning of a fixed bridge child's play compared to floating bridges.

All this is in the instructions, just a bit foggy until you read enough about it and do it enough times.


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Post subject: Re: la cabronita low E tuning problems
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:16 pm
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You have probably checked already but I thought I would mention that the TV Jones pups have pretty powerful magnets and it might be worth just dropping the pups a touch to see if that makes a difference....


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