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Post subject: Different saddles and intonation
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:10 am
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I don't have tons of knowledges so forgive me.
I see some guitars with the brass style, some with the tech style(small machined blocks), and some just have a piece of all thread. Are there troubles setting the intonation with the brass style and all thread style?


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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:12 am
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I don't have tons of knowledges so forgive me.
I see some guitars with the brass style, some with the tech style(small machined blocks), and some just have a piece of all thread. Are there troubles setting the intonation with the brass style and all thread style?


Welcome.

As you know, the 3 barrel bridges are paired, two strings each. Many will vehemently proclaim that their 3 barrel bridges regardless of the base material and shape intonate all 6 strings 'perfectly'. Personally, I've never seen this in my almost 50 years of playing. At best, all I've personally witnessed is these paired strings regardless of the base material and shape being only, "In the ballpark" as there is always compromise. Or to put it another way, to 'perfectly' intonate any given string, I'm of the firm belief that said string must have it's own adjustable bridge saddle.

As always, this is merely IMO where YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: Different saddles and intonation
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:29 am
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Thanks for the reply. I wasn't sure if I explained it well enough. The brass ones have a set screw but it doesn't look like enough. I guess if you get that set screw to it's limit and you're still not there you move to a different gauge string. As far as the all thread.....well it is what it is. I have walked away from a deal or two because of this.


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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:45 pm
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The brass barrelled ones from Fender that came with the Danny Gatton Model were VERY close at intonating. They were bent a bit so you could get better intonation. You can still get the bridge saddles from Fender. I personnally like the tone of the Brass saddles over the threaded ones. YMMV.

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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:41 pm
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Martian wrote:
DUSTER44T wrote:
I don't have tons of knowledges so forgive me.
I see some guitars with the brass style, some with the tech style(small machined blocks), and some just have a piece of all thread. Are there troubles setting the intonation with the brass style and all thread style?


Welcome.

As you know, the 3 barrel bridges are paired, two strings each. Many will vehemently proclaim that their 3 barrel bridges regardless of the base material and shape intonate all 6 strings 'perfectly'. Personally, I've never seen this in my almost 50 years of playing. At best, all I've personally witnessed is these paired strings regardless of the base material and shape being only, "In the ballpark" as there is always compromise. Or to put it another way, to 'perfectly' intonate any given string, I'm of the firm belief that said string must have it's own adjustable bridge saddle.

As always, this is merely IMO where YMMV.


I've also never found the 3 barrel bridges to be more than "in the ballpark"
and although for many years I used them because Gatton, Bryant and others
all did, I finally decided that for me, the Wilkinson pivots were my new choice.

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Post subject: Re: Different saddles and intonation
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:06 pm
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"In the ballpark" is all part of the Tele sound. The ancient brass saddles worked fine for many famous and outstanding guitar players over the last 60+ years and works fine for me. I'm not that famous and I'm definitely not an outstanding player, though. :lol:

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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:47 pm
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I simply cannot STAND playing a guitar that is not properly intonated. It's like fingernails on a chalk board to me. These saddles are a must for anybody with an older style Tele and an ear for music. They may not get you "perfect" but at least they'll get you closer than the spine curling, hair on your hands, insects crawling all over your body stock ones.

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Nuts,_saddles/Electric_guitar_saddles/Wilkinson_Adjustable_Compensated_Bridge_for_Tele.html?tab=Details#details

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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:45 am
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There are lots of compensated saddles out there. Glendale, Rutters, Barden, Stew-Mac, Wilkinson, Etc., and any of those will pretty much get you there intonation wise. The original straight Fender ones can be close enough, but obviously not for everybody. It is important to get the top and bottom strings, and the fourth, D, intonated and although the others may be off a bit, that sounds best. Jerry Donahue has a system of tempering his intonation to minimalise inaccuracies.

In the old days, some players would just bend the intonation screws so that saddles were angled and therefore "compensated." And that worked fine if you didn't change string gauges...which they didn't do back then, of course! :)


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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:50 pm
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It ain't a Tele if it doesn't have straight brass saddles. :lol:

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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:18 pm
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That's a beautiful Tele bluesky! I have a Deluxe Ash Tele that has all the features I want EXCEPT for the stamped bridge with brass saddles. :(

I don't think there's a way to change out the bridge either. The string holes in the bridge are positioned differently relative to the bridge mounting screws so aftermarket parts like the Callaham vintage bridge won't work.

I'm trying to figure out how to get a Custom Shop '52 reissue in its place...

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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:18 pm
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That's a beautiful Tele bluesky! I have a Deluxe Ash Tele that has all the features I want EXCEPT for the stamped bridge with brass saddles. :(

I don't think there's a way to change out the bridge either. The string holes in the bridge are positioned differently relative to the bridge mounting screws so aftermarket parts like the Callaham vintage bridge won't work.

I'm trying to figure out how to get a Custom Shop '52 reissue in its place...


Thanks. Its an AVRI 52 Tele.

This is exactly what you need for your Tele:

http://www.acmeguitarworks.com/Callaham ... 5C210.aspx

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