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Post subject: Gibson LP - the right amp (selective I know but I'm a novice
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:48 am
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Hello there, Keith again!

I have just recently purchased a guitar I've been saving for all my life. A Gibson LP
Goldtop and I also purchased a Fender 212 amp to go with it thinking that would help in
getting some of the "mudd" out of the seemingly muffled sound that an LP sometimes
produces. Well I was right and wrong! The Fender amp "screams" just like their guitars
so I've heard about 'tube' amps and it just seems hard to find the rig that sounds like your
favorite guitar players. I am a novice even at the ripe 'young' age of 56 but I've been
playing rhythm guitar all my life and lead singing so now I want to learn lead and I just
don't know how to approach it. HHHHHHHEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!
I don't know much about effects pedals either, so I will need some advice on that also.
I really need some imput guys, and I would really appreciate anything you have to say!


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Post subject: Re: Gibson LP - the right amp (selective I know but I'm a no
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:41 am
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Most, if not all players, use some effects. This may be just two or three pedals, or a massive pedal board filled to the brim. Because of this, you are unlikely to get your favourite artists sound just from a guitar and amp. Read up about your artist (there are websites with loads of info about individual guitarist's rigs). Find out what pickups they use, what pedals they use. Chances are they've modded their guitar or amp a bit, either the tubes, pickups, speaker, bridge or whatever.
A good quality solid state like your's should be fine. You would notice the difference with a tube amp at louder volumes, gigging, band rehearsal whatever. There is still difference at lower levels, but you have a good solid state.
Some of the sound, as you probably know, also comes from technique. They way you hold the pick (if you use one, thats another aspect...) changes the sound. If you let the pick glance over the strings, or power into each string. You can also muffle the stings with your palm.
Best advice for someone trying to learn lead is to take some lessons. This will teach you the techniques, give you some gear knowledge etc. You would also learn some music theory thats useful, eg modes, different scales etc. If you don't want to do this, there are some free (and some not free, but more proffessional) guitar education websites such as Guitar Tricks. It is useful, too, to practice your new skills using a backing track. Lots of these can be found at Jam Track Central, and other websites.

Theres lots of knowledge in gear, musical theory, and guitar techniques and theory, on this forum, too.

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Post subject: Re: Gibson LP - the right amp (selective I know but I'm a no
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:10 am
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To have the sound of your favorite guitar player you need more than a rig / gear . All is in the finger.

Your Gibson guitar need a better amp. I know that you can't print money but for the tone, the amp is more important than the guitar.
You should buy an amp the same or better quality ( $$$ ) than your guitar. Unless that your guitar tone will not sound is best.

I'm sorry if I don't agree with your amps but I think you are in the forum to lhear what other people know and to learn.


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Post subject: Re: Gibson LP - the right amp (selective I know but I'm a no
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:26 am
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BluesMan1kw wrote:
Hello there, Keith again!

I have just recently purchased a guitar I've been saving for all my life. A Gibson LP
Goldtop and I also purchased a Fender 212 amp to go with it thinking that would help in
getting some of the "mudd" out of the seemingly muffled sound that an LP sometimes
produces. Well I was right and wrong! The Fender amp "screams" just like their guitars
so I've heard about 'tube' amps and it just seems hard to find the rig that sounds like your
favorite guitar players. I am a novice even at the ripe 'young' age of 56 but I've been
playing rhythm guitar all my life and lead singing so now I want to learn lead and I just
don't know how to approach it. HHHHHHHEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!
I don't know much about effects pedals either, so I will need some advice on that also.
I really need some imput guys, and I would really appreciate anything you have to say!


Since you are asking about amps for a Les Paul, you might get better results here rather then posting in a Telecaster forum:

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/

http://www.lespaulforum.com/finalframes/frameset.htm

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Post subject: Re: Gibson LP - the right amp (selective I know but I'm a no
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:06 am
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BluesMan1kw wrote:
Hello there, Keith again!

I have just recently purchased a guitar I've been saving for all my life. A Gibson LP
Goldtop and I also purchased a Fender 212 amp to go with it thinking that would help in
getting some of the "mudd" out of the seemingly muffled sound that an LP sometimes
produces. Well I was right and wrong! The Fender amp "screams" just like their guitars
so I've heard about 'tube' amps and it just seems hard to find the rig that sounds like your
favorite guitar players. I am a novice even at the ripe 'young' age of 56 but I've been
playing rhythm guitar all my life and lead singing so now I want to learn lead and I just
don't know how to approach it. HHHHHHHEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!
I don't know much about effects pedals either, so I will need some advice on that also.
I really need some imput guys, and I would really appreciate anything you have to say!


Hi and welcome to the forums. You probably meant to post this in the Lounge Forum. It would get better results there. You'll find that most of the guys on the Fender Forums have no problem with discussing LP's along with Strats, etc. I'm currently looking for an LP right now and could very well have one within a couple of weeks. I also just bought a good amp after much research and consternation. I'm looking for good blues / classic rock sound. I assume that you bought a Hot Rod Deville 212? I don't know much about that amp but looking at the specs I don't see any reason why it wouldn't give you most of what you're looking for. You might try the amp forum and see if anyone can suggest some settings. You've got an effects loop so that's where you would start to add some pedals. I've been playing clean with no effects for over a year, so I can explore my guitars tone and my pick attack. Getting to know those two things with a clean amp will help you to better use effects when you get some. You're going to get a lot of varied advice on pedals. Sift through it all and pick one pedal to start with and live with it for a while. Too many effects will quickly bring back the mud you're trying to get away from. BTW, what LP did you buy?

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Post subject: Re: Gibson LP - the right amp (selective I know but I'm a no
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:37 am
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Blinkers,another forum member and buddy of mine gets great sounds from his Les Pauls through a Marshall Haze 40W combo and I must say they really do sound great together. By the same token I play my Les Paul through a Blues Jr. and get great results.All in all it boils down to how you use your hands there is no given that using certain gear will get the same sounds from the same set up that your fave players use.

Your best bet would be to stick with what you have and buy a couple of good overdrive or distortion pedals to kick up your raunch a bit when need be.Just keep experimenting with the controls on your present amp and I can pretty well guarantee that somewhere in there you'll find the sounds you're looking for.

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Post subject: Re: Gibson LP - the right amp (selective I know but I'm a no
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:59 pm
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Post subject: Re: Gibson LP - the right amp (selective I know but I'm a no
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:43 pm
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Hey Guys!
Thanks for being kind in your feedback! I will try all of your advice and play around
with what I have. I'll see where the experimentation leads. About my favorite guitar
player, well.............that is a hard one. I'm 56 y/o and I've been listening to guitar
players since I was 6. My parents took me to my first concert when I was 6 to see three
of the most famous musicians ever, Chet Atkins ( and he had just come back from England
where he had been given and was playing that night, the FIRST Gretsch Country Gentleman
Chet Atkins signature guitar) and he was appearing with Boots Randalph and Floyd Cramer.
Well.............needless to say at that impressionable age I was smitten with the bug to
play music for the rest of my life. Hasn't turned out exactly as I planned but I'm still
hanging in there. My children are 18, and 19 and in college and I'm getting a singles act
back together with a few twists due to all the capable technology available today. Sorry
for TMI but I probably will be asking you more experienced players a lot of questions over
the next few months and I appreciate all the help you give, from the heart! But back to
the question. I like Blues and I sing it very well. Even though I will be using at times
some tracks and pre-recorded songs I want to learn some lead. Tasteful lead. I'm not
out to break records for the most notes played in a measure, I miss the days of the
soulful leads that unfortunately have faded into the past. Kim Simmonds, Tommy Bolin,
Roy Gallagher, Rick Derringer, etc. You see where I come from. But don't get me wrong
I also like Eric Johnson, Stevie Ray, Greg Koch, etc. and others that carry on and play
some very serious Blues today. So..........favorite, too many to name. I just like GOOD
music when I hear it. One thing I've found especially when I was writing music in
Nashville in the 90's was there are better musicians playing in bars than what you hear
on records/CDs a lot of the time. That good-ole-boy who you know and how much $$$
do you or who is backing you have says alot, unfortunately!!!!!
Again, thanks for the info and I will be in touch with a follow-up as to how I'm doing.


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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:00 am
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Love my Les Paul. I gotta say though, it has way more treble than any of my Strats or my Tele.

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That's what I tend to plug it into. A simple Marshall Class 5. Though that is not going to get any of us sounding much like Chet Atkins despite the amp cleaning up well. In truth I think that the Gibson guitar into clean Fender amp is one of the all time great sounds.
What I did that really helped the guitar become clear was to change the wiring of the volume and tone controls from modern Gibson wiring to 50's Gibson wiring. So when I roll back the volume control it's not seeing the tone pot as offering less resistance and trying to shove the signal through the capacitor.
Quite a simple modification that really helps the guitar clean up. You only have to move a couple of wires and how the capacitor bridges between the volume and tone controls.

Modern wiring (capacitor coming from lug 3 of the volume to lug 2 of the tone pot)

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Vintage wiring (capacitor coming from lug 2 of the volume to lug 3 of the tone pot)

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Also I flipped the magnet round on the neck pickup (the pickup being the wrong way round is due to my adoration of Pete Green. Please ignore it, it makes no difference) so it's out of phase with the bridge pickup. That adds yet more of a piercing sound when both pickups are on. But is an acquired taste.

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:18 am
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To get rid of some of that mud you may try playing with the pickup height. Do a search on the Forum for "Nickel Method". It explains pickup height adjustment.

I play my LP through a Fender Deluxe Reverb Re-Issue (DRRI) and it sounds awesome!!
My LP has the 50's wiring and the magnet/pickup flip (Peter Green Mod) same as nikininja.

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:45 pm
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Nice LP's guys. Niki, is yours Honey Burst or Light Burst? Which pups do you have that are so bright.
I flopped the neck pu around on my Guild years ago because I liked the way it sounded without ever knowing Peter Green had done this. I guess I'm just a pioneer.

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:04 pm
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Drew you have to get the pickup apart and flip the magnet so it's out of sync to the coils. So the bridge would be coils clockwise, magnetic north to top. Neck coils clockwise magnetic south to top.

Either sounds right on their own but together they sound nasal. I turned the pickup round purely for aesthetics.

Oh yeah it's honey burst. A Standard Faded that has been polished up to shine rather than matte.

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