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Post subject: Re: Naked Neck Pickup
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:35 pm
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I decided to leave my neck pickup cover on, but I solved the problem of slightly boomy/muddy bass with the neck pickup alone in a different manner. I added the Greasebucket tone circuit to my guitar...

Here's another approach: The BBE Sonic Stomp, which is a "sound conditioner."

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These boxes are great for providing additional clarity, presence and definition to your sound without changing your tone in any way.
As I've written elsewhere, my experience with my amp (a Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue) is that this box doesn't like long (12') cords, which seem to create high frequency noise or a "whistle." Fortunately, I figured out how to use the Sonic Stomp before I returned it.

I run my effects into the front of the amp and sit this box on top of the amp and run it with patch cords through the effects loop.
Having the Sonic Stomp sitting on the amp is not a problem, as there is never any reason to turn it off.
Run both knobs at or near "midnight" if you get one.

This is a subtle, yet truly remarkable box, and I highly recommend it.
It can do nothing except improve your sound, even if you have the "grease bucket" circuit.


I don't get the hype for this thing. Its a 12 dB bass and treble booster. Pretty obvious from the demos on the BBE website.

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Post subject: Re: Naked Neck Pickup
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:24 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
I don't get the hype for this thing. Its a 12 dB bass and treble booster. Pretty obvious from the demos on the BBE website.

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What ever it is, I think it's great.
I assume that you are talking about these BBE Specs:

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Frequency Response: Program Dependent
BBE: Lo Contour +12dB @ 50Hz
Process +12dB @ 10kHz

It's not surprising that you "don't get the hype for this thing" if you haven't tried one of these boxes.
Order one from Amazon (best price), and if you don't like it, just return it. -There's nothing to lose if you don't like it.
If this box is "only" just a high and low end boost, in a narrow frequency band, so be it.
But the specifications do indicate that "Frequency Response" is "Program Dependent."

What ever it does, it delivers added clarity, presence and definition without altering your tone.
The difference is like taking the cotton out of your ears, with the volume remaining essentially the same.

According to the Guitar Center, the Sonic Stomp is more than just a high and low end boost.
It alters the frequency and harmonic timing of the sound signal to eliminate phase distortion and harmonic cancellations that can cause a muddy sound:

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The BBE Process--"What it Is"

Loudspeakers have difficulty working with the electronic signals supplied by an amplifier. These difficulties cause such major phase and amplitude distortion that the sound reproduced by the speaker differs significantly from the sound produced by the original source.

In the past, these problems proved unsolvable and were thus relegated to a position of secondary importance in audio system design. However, phase and amplitude integrity is essential to accurate sound reproduction. Research shows that the information which the listener translates into the recognizable characteristics of a live performance are intimately tied into complex time and amplitude relationships between the fundamental and harmonic components of a given musical note or sound. These relationships define a sound's "sound."

When these complex relationships pass through a speaker, the proper order is lost. The higher frequencies are delayed. A lower frequency may reach the listener's ear first or perhaps simultaneously with that of a higher frequency. In some cases, the fundamental components may be so time-shifted that they reach the listener's ear ahead of some or all of the harmonic components.

This change in the phase and amplitude relationship on the harmonic and fundamental frequencies is technically called "envelope distortion." The listener perceives this loss of sound integrity in the reproduced sound as "muddy" and "smeared."

BBE Sound, Inc. conducted extensive studies of numerous speaker systems over a ten year period. With this knowledge, it became possible to identify the characteristics of an ideal speaker and to distill the corrections necessary to return the fundamental and harmonic frequency structures to their correct order. While there are differences among various speaker designs in the magnitude of their correction, the overall pattern of correction needed is remarkably consistent.

The BBE Process is so unique that 42 patents have been awarded by the U.S. Patent Office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOQgebFD ... r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zhnefpu ... r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJuPj2tC ... r_embedded

On a somewhat unrelated subject, I also like to run an overdrive - OCD or a Tube Screamer - through a clean boost (BBE Boosta Grande).
It rounds out the rough edges of the overdrive and provides a fuller, more balanced overdriven sound with greater depth.


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Post subject: Re: Naked Neck Pickup
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:43 am
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I'm glad you like it.

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Post subject: Re: Naked Neck Pickup
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:47 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
I'm glad you like it.

I assume from your response Bill, that I haven't persuaded you.


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Post subject: Re: Naked Neck Pickup
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:20 am
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I'm glad you like it.

I assume from your response Bill, that I haven't pursuaded you.


No.

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Post subject: Re: Naked Neck Pickup
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:23 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
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I'm glad you like it.

I assume from your response Bill, that I haven't persuaded you.


No.

That's too bad.
You shouldn't be so closed minded about something that you haven't tried.
I must admit though, that I'm not a fan of the "grease bucket" circuitry concept, but I have very little experience with it.


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Post subject: Re: Naked Neck Pickup
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:42 am
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MickJagger wrote:
That's too bad.

You shouldn't be so closed minded about something that you haven't tried.

I must admit though, that I'm not a fan of the "grease bucket" circuitry concept, but I have very little experience with it.


The demos don't impress me as anything that can't be done with proper tone control use or use of the presence control. As an electrical engineer I find the technobabble about how the box works to be quite questionable. As long as you are happy with yours, that's all that matters.

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Post subject: Re: Naked Neck Pickup
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:37 pm
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Dont forget that some neck pickups are also potted with wax. Rose make a decent priced Borbon open tele neck pickup .


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Post subject: Re: Naked Neck Pickup
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:17 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
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That's too bad.
You shouldn't be so closed minded about something that you haven't tried.
I must admit though, that I'm not a fan of the "grease bucket" circuitry concept, but I have very little experience with it.

The demos don't impress me as anything that can't be done with proper tone control use or use of the presence control. As an electrical engineer I find the technobabble about how the box works to be quite questionable. As long as you are happy with yours, that's all that matters.

The demos are pretty accurate as to the type of sound enhancement you can expect, but of course the impact is greater in a live setting.

Regardless of whether the "technobabble" that I cited is meaningful, accurate, or in your opinion "believable," or whether the Sonic Stomp is just a high and low frequency boost, you simply cannot get the sound enhancement that the Sonic Stomp provides through the tone and presence controls of the amp.

At any tone or presence settings, including any optimum settings that you may be able to find, you can expect the Sonic Stomp to provide greater clarity and enhanced definition to your sound, similar to what is demonstrated in the videos.

But if you are happy with your sound, and don't wish to try it, that's your call.


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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:35 am
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But if you are happy with your sound, and don't wish to try it, that's your call.


Thank you.

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Post subject: Re: Naked Neck Pickup
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:10 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
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But if you are happy with your sound, and don't wish to try it, that's your call.

Thank you.

You are quite welcome!!


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