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Post subject: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:45 pm
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Hi I'm new here and I am a very happy new owner of an American Standard Tele'. I've been playing on LP's and Ibanez's for about 15 years now, and I'm really impressed and happy with my Tele'. That "thin" sweet tone takes me to pleasure town every time. I recently purchased copper self-adhesive tape for shielding. I know some of you are going to say it is unnecessary, but It's my preference considering I play in a quite bluesy band.

My problem is that I never applied shielding on my guitars before (never played on single coils), and I bought the shielding because I am under the assumption that I do not need to solder to get affective results. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I need to apply the shielding into the cavities of the guitar (under the bridge pickup and under the control knobs). Any extra help and advice would be greatly appreciated.....

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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:52 am
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FenderMasterofTeles wrote:
Hi I'm new here and I am a very happy new owner of an American Standard Tele'. I've been playing on LP's and Ibanez's for about 15 years now, and I'm really impressed and happy with my Tele'. That "thin" sweet tone takes me to pleasure town every time. I recently purchased copper self-adhesive tape for shielding. I know some of you are going to say it is unnecessary, but It's my preference considering I play in a quite bluesy band.

My problem is that I never applied shielding on my guitars before (never played on single coils), and I bought the shielding because I am under the assumption that I do not need to solder to get affective results. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I need to apply the shielding into the cavities of the guitar (under the bridge pickup and under the control knobs). Any extra help and advice would be greatly appreciated.....

Thanks..


Welcome and congratulations.

Your guitar has a coat of shielding paint already applied from the factory. There is no additional shielding necessary nor any more which you could do that would be purposeful.

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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:39 am
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Welcome and congratulations.

Your guitar has a coat of shielding paint already applied from the factory. There is no additional shielding necessary nor any more which you could do that would be purposeful.[/quote]


Ha, ya I'm 12 and I never played guitar before I'm a complete idiot, and the sounds I hear coming from my new Fender Telecaster are coming from my head. Maybe more Dragon Ball Z stickers will help the hum go away or, I should go see a doctor and ignore the very obvious hum I hear coming from my guitar.

Well, so much for getting help from the Fender community!


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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:09 pm
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The hum comes from single coil pickups...which was the entire reason for creating humbucking pickups. If your guitar is already shielded, what is the need to spend time applying a second layer of shielding? It will make no difference. btw...I don't think Martian was implying that you don't know what you're talking about, and he truly does know what he's talking about...maybe he was trying to help you avoid wasting time on a completely unnecessary task? But hey, take how you want to take it. Have fun wasting your time.

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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:41 pm
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FenderMasterofTeles wrote:
Ha, ya I'm 12 and I never played guitar before I'm a complete idiot, and the sounds I hear coming from my new Fender Telecaster are coming from my head. Maybe more Dragon Ball Z stickers will help the hum go away or, I should go see a doctor and ignore the very obvious hum I hear coming from my guitar.

Well, so much for getting help from the Fender community!


By your own admission, you have never played single coils before. Guess what? Single coils will hum under certain conditions regardless of the amount or type of shielding in use. Martian is 100% correct. So is TDM.

BTW: Your 4th posting in this forum should be an apology to Martian. He is one of the most respected experts on Fender guitars on this forum.

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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:18 pm
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Here is the help you are looking for FMT.
There is probably no reason to copper shield your guitar unless you are going to replace your pickups with noiseless pickups.

While your guitar is technically shielded by the ground screw in the body cavity that is in metallic shielding paint (never loosen or remove this screw as it will break contact with the shielding paint), it is not unusual upon installing noiseless pickups to continue to have a 60 cycle ground loop hum and/or electrical interference that gets though the stock shielding paint, or is caused by your wiring. This often takes the form of a hum that increases when you are not touching the bridge, strings or input jack.

If you are going to use noiseless pickups, I recommend that you copper shield your guitar and eliminate all possible ground loops by having all ground wires soldered in a single pot location, or removed from the pots completely and soldered into a "ground star." Always remove any ground wire that runs from the back of one pot to the other. This wire will cause a ground loop hum.

In addition, the copper shielding tape itself must be grounded by soldering a ground wire to the copper tape, and spot soldering a ground connection between any separate pieces of copper tape, even if they overlap. The copper shield is a grounded copper shield.

I have provided a detailed outline of shielding a guitar and using a "ground star" in my thread "Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial."

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=53915

If you do all of these things with noiseless pickups, your guitar will be dead quiet.

For further information see:
http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/shield3.php
http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/tele.php


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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
There is probably no reason to copper shield your guitar unless you are going to replace your pickups with noiseless pickups.


I strongly disagree with your claim that copper shielding needs to be used with noiseless pickups. I use noiseless or humbucking pickups in all of the guitars I modify.

My MIM Standard Strat has the factory shielding paint and Fender SCN pickups. It is dead quiet with no additional shielding.

My Squier Affinity Telecaster is equipped with GFS Neovin noiseless pickups with NO shielding what-so-ever. It has a very small amount of noise in my studio but is dead quiet in other rooms of my house and in the studio where I take guitar lessons.

I have no problem with ground loops or dressing wires to minimize hum in any of my guitars.

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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:00 pm
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I put SCN Noiseless Pickups in my '83 Telecaster and still had a 60 cycle hum that was worse when I took my fingers off of the strings, bridge or input jack. The original ground screw had never been tampered with. I am the original owner of the guitar.

I cannot guarantee whether it was the original Fender wiring, or the original shielding which was causing the problem, as I both copper shielded the guitar and removed all of the ground wires from the pots and went to a "ground star" grounding configuration.

These modifications resolved all of the 60 cycle hum problems.
I know that this works.
And it is fairly cheap insurance to shield the guitar when you are changing to noiseless pickups.
You avoid any possibility of having to rip the guitar apart again, as I had to do.


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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:53 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
I put SCN Noiseless Pickups in my '83 Telecaster and still had a 60 cycle hum that was worse when I took my fingers off of the strings, bridge or input jack. The original ground screw had never been tampered with. I am the original owner of the guitar.

I cannot guarantee whether it was the original Fender wiring, or the original shielding which was causing the problem, as I both copper shielded the guitar and removed all of the ground wires from the pots and went to a "ground star" grounding configuration.

These modifications resolved all of the 60 cycle hum problems.
I know that this works.
And it is fairly cheap insurance to shield the guitar when you are changing to noiseless pickups.
You avoid any possibility of having to rip the guitar apart again, as I had to do.


Guess I've done it right the first time by removing all wiring and parts and doing a complete rewiring job.

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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:12 pm
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You don't deserve advice if all you're going to do is insult those who keep their answers short and precise. If you don't believe his answer to be true, a mature and respectful question could have been, "Is it possible that Fender could have applied the shielding paint incorrectly and how do I tell if so?" Work with forum users here buddy, not against.


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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:38 pm
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ohiho1010 wrote:
You don't deserve advice if all you're going to do is insult those who keep their answers short and precise. If you don't believe his answer to be true, a mature and respectful question could have been, "Is it possible that Fender could have applied the shielding paint incorrectly and how do I tell if so?" Work with forum users here buddy, not against.


Please use the "Quote" button so people know who you are responding to.

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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:42 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
ohiho1010 wrote:
You don't deserve advice if all you're going to do is insult those who keep their answers short and precise. If you don't believe his answer to be true, a mature and respectful question could have been, "Is it possible that Fender could have applied the shielding paint incorrectly and how do I tell if so?" Work with forum users here buddy, not against.


Please use the "Quote" button so people know who you are responding to.



I thought it was pretty obvious but I was replying to FenderMasterofTeles.


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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:49 am
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ohiho1010 wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
ohiho1010 wrote:
You don't deserve advice if all you're going to do is insult those who keep their answers short and precise. If you don't believe his answer to be true, a mature and respectful question could have been, "Is it possible that Fender could have applied the shielding paint incorrectly and how do I tell if so?" Work with forum users here buddy, not against.


Please use the "Quote" button so people know who you are responding to.



I thought it was pretty obvious but I was replying to FenderMasterofTeles.


There were six other posts between yours and the one that you were responding to. Use of quotes is simple and prevents confusion. It is also good forum manners.

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Post subject: Re: Shielding my American Standard tele'
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:34 pm
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Please use the "Quote" button so people know who you are responding to.[/quote]


I thought it was pretty obvious but I was replying to FenderMasterofTeles.[/quote]

There were six other posts between yours and the one that you were responding to. Use of quotes is simple and prevents confusion. It is also good forum manners.[/quote]

Noted! Don't know what happened with the formatting here but I needed to learn how to use that feature anyways!


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