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Post subject: Re: New tele that I can't find listed anywhere?
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:29 am
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TimDrakeMusic wrote:
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Well, it has the 60th anniversary sticker on the pickguard,and an ash body, and a three tone sunburst finish. See this pic:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/candacehor ... hotostream


:shock: :shock: :shock:

That is beautiful...I like that finish, and the grain on that specific guitar is perfect! I hope you've picked that one up, you'll be kicking yourself later if you don't. That really is nice.


I've got the deposit down on it. I'll be picking it tomorrow. I like that finish better than the two tone sunburst on the Am Standard version, and I've been wanting an ash body/maple neck tele to compliment the alder body/rw neck one that I have. Also, I'm super partial to bursts, so it's pretty much the perfect choice. It really sounds good too!!


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Post subject: Re: New tele that I can't find listed anywhere?
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:49 pm
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Arafel wrote:
TimDrakeMusic wrote:
Arafel wrote:
Well, it has the 60th anniversary sticker on the pickguard,and an ash body, and a three tone sunburst finish. See this pic:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/candacehor ... hotostream


:shock: :shock: :shock:

That is beautiful...I like that finish, and the grain on that specific guitar is perfect! I hope you've picked that one up, you'll be kicking yourself later if you don't. That really is nice.


I've got the deposit down on it. I'll be picking it tomorrow. I like that finish better than the two tone sunburst on the Am Standard version, and I've been wanting an ash body/maple neck tele to compliment the alder body/rw neck one that I have. Also, I'm super partial to bursts, so it's pretty much the perfect choice. It really sounds good too!!


Enjoy it...et cetera.
But I do find it interesting that you went through all that and end with, "It sounds really good too!!"
My guitars are plain janes, but they are the best sounding instruments I have played, which is why I kept them.
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Post subject: Re: New tele that I can't find listed anywhere?
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:12 pm
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Enjoy it...et cetera.
But I do find it interesting that you went through all that and end with, "It sounds really good too!!"
My guitars are plain janes, but they are the best sounding instruments I have played, which is why I kept them.
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Yeah, it was silly-ly phrased. I a/b'd it versus a few others in the store, and have played a few others out of the store, like the flame top maple one, before deciding on that one. Great rich tone, with some spank. The neck position might be the best of any of my teles. Can't wait to get it setup properly and jam on it in the studio this weekend. Yay.


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Post subject: Re: New tele that I can't find listed anywhere?
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:37 pm
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Arafel wrote:
Yeah, it was silly-ly phrased. I a/b'd it versus a few others in the store, and have played a few others out of the store, like the flame top maple one, before deciding on that one. Great rich tone, with some spank. The neck position might be the best of any of my teles. Can't wait to get it setup properly and jam on it in the studio this weekend. Yay.

Have you figured out yet that your FSR Telecaster, is NOT a Fender "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster?"
Just wondering...
BTW, I do like the look of the guitar.
What do you mean by: "The neck position might be the best of any of my teles"?


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Post subject: Re: New tele that I can't find listed anywhere?
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:41 pm
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Have you figured out yet that your FSR Telecaster, is NOT a Fender "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster?"
Just wondering...
BTW, I do like the look of the guitar.
What do you mean by: "The neck position might be the best of any of my teles"?


I really liked the sound of the neck pickup. It was very rich. Normally, I tend to keep the PUP switch in the middle position on my two teles, because I love that chime-y sound, but I was very impressed by the neck pickup on the guitar.

As for the other, you are arguing semantics. What makes a guitar a guitar? Is it the name? No. To me, it is a 60th Anniversary guitar, because what makes a guitar a guitar is the construction. This one has the same ash body, same American vintage PUPs, same radius fretboard, same headstock, and even the same exact pickguard, as the "official" 60th Anniversary Limited Edition that I linked to earlier. Only the finish is different. Put it this way: if I bought an "official" 60th Anniversary guitar and stripped the white paint off and then refinished it to be a sunburst, is it still a 60th Anniversary guitar? Yup. So, really, no difference. It's an FSR 60th Anniversary Limited guitar. It's not an American Standard, because it isn't the same construction (different pups etc.). It's not an FSR American Standard for the same reason.


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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:50 am
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Arafel wrote:
TimDrakeMusic wrote:
Arafel wrote:
Well, it has the 60th anniversary sticker on the pickguard,and an ash body, and a three tone sunburst finish. See this pic:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/candacehor ... hotostream


:shock: :shock: :shock:

That is beautiful...I like that finish, and the grain on that specific guitar is perfect! I hope you've picked that one up, you'll be kicking yourself later if you don't. That really is nice.


I've got the deposit down on it. I'll be picking it tomorrow. I like that finish better than the two tone sunburst on the Am Standard version, and I've been wanting an ash body/maple neck tele to compliment the alder body/rw neck one that I have. Also, I'm super partial to bursts, so it's pretty much the perfect choice. It really sounds good too!!


Nice...congrats. I'm a fan of burst finishes as well, especially with the more subdued colors like your new guitar.

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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:55 am
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Arafel wrote:
...you are arguing semantics. What makes a guitar a guitar? Is it the name? No. To me, it is a 60th Anniversary guitar, because what makes a guitar a guitar is the construction. This one has the same ash body, same American vintage PUPs, same radius fretboard, same headstock, and even the same exact pickguard, as the "official" 60th Anniversary Limited Edition that I linked to earlier. Only the finish is different. Put it this way: if I bought an "official" 60th Anniversary guitar and stripped the white paint off and then refinished it to be a sunburst, is it still a 60th Anniversary guitar? Yup. So, really, no difference. It's an FSR 60th Anniversary Limited guitar. It's not an American Standard, because it isn't the same construction (different pups etc.). It's not an FSR American Standard for the same reason.

The problem with accepting your reasoning is that it will eventually be applied to the resale of such guitars. While it is unlikely that the actual "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" will experience any value inflation in the near term, people buying a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster" should be able to be assured that they actually buying an actual Fender "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster."

This designation is not open to subjective interpretation as to what constitutes a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." Only Telecasters that Fender has designated as "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" are actual "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters."

You argue that "if I bought an "official" 60th Anniversary guitar and stripped the white paint off and then refinished it to be a sunburst, is it still a 60th Anniversary guitar?" You are correct it would be. That is because the guitar was "ORIGINALLY" a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." But the designation would have little value, if any, unless 60 years from now, someone restored the guitar to its original condition. Then the designation could possibly retain some value.

BTW, from everything that I have seen, both American Standard Telecasters and "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" use "American Standard Tele® Single-Coil Pickups" (except for "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" that use humbucklers).

Your FSR Telecaster is an American Standard Telecaster. But regardless of the type of pickups, the type of wood, or any other factor, it is not a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." This is not semantics.

A "Chevelle Malibu" that has the "Malibu" emblems removed and has "SS" emblems applied, is not a "Chevelle SS," even if it has all of the SS equipment options, because it was not originally designated as a "Chevelle SS" by Chevrolet Motor Division. The same is true with your guitar. This is not semantics. This "original designation" generally affects the value of the Chevelle, and it is fraudulent to sell a "Chevelle Malibu" as a "Chevelle SS."

But I do think that you bought a great guitar with lovely ash grain and a very nice finish. I'm particularly fond of ash guitars and own a couple with burst finishes myself. But I would discourage you from telling people that it is a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." Good luck with your Tele.


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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:13 am
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MickJagger wrote:
The problem with accepting your reasoning is that it will eventually be applied to the resale of such guitars. While it is unlikely that the actual "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" will experience any value inflation in the near term, people buying a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster" should be able to be assured that they actually buying an actual Fender "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster."

This designation is not open to subjective interpretation as to what constitutes a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." Only Telecasters that Fender has designated as "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" are actual "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters."

You argue that "if I bought an "official" 60th Anniversary guitar and stripped the white paint off and then refinished it to be a sunburst, is it still a 60th Anniversary guitar?" You are correct it would be. That is because the guitar was "ORIGINALLY" a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." But the designation would have little value, if any, unless 60 years from now, someone restored the guitar to its original condition. Then the designation could possibly retain some value.

BTW, from everything that I have seen, both American Standard Telecasters and "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" use "American Standard Tele® Single-Coil Pickups" (except for "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" that use humbucklers).

Your FSR Telecaster is an American Standard Telecaster. But regardless of the type of pickups, the type of wood, or any other factor, it is not a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." This is not semantics.

A "Chevelle Malibu" that has the "Malibu" emblems removed and has "SS" emblems applied, is not a "Chevelle SS," even if it has all of the SS equipment options, because it was not originally designated as a "Chevelle SS" by Chevrolet Motor Division. The same is true with your guitar. This is not semantics. This "original designation" generally affects the value of the Chevelle, and it is fraudulent to sell a "Chevelle Malibu" as a "Chevelle SS."

But I do think that you bought a great guitar with lovely ash grain and a very nice finish. I'm particularly fond of ash guitars and own a couple with burst finishes myself. But I would discourage you from telling people that it is a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." Good luck with your Tele.


Actually, the PUPs are different. They aren't American Standard pups, but American Vintage, which have a different construction and different sound.


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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:49 pm
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That grain is unbelievable. Congratulations and please post some more pictures when you get a chance!


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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:48 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
Arafel wrote:
...you are arguing semantics. What makes a guitar a guitar? Is it the name? No. To me, it is a 60th Anniversary guitar, because what makes a guitar a guitar is the construction. This one has the same ash body, same American vintage PUPs, same radius fretboard, same headstock, and even the same exact pickguard, as the "official" 60th Anniversary Limited Edition that I linked to earlier. Only the finish is different. Put it this way: if I bought an "official" 60th Anniversary guitar and stripped the white paint off and then refinished it to be a sunburst, is it still a 60th Anniversary guitar? Yup. So, really, no difference. It's an FSR 60th Anniversary Limited guitar. It's not an American Standard, because it isn't the same construction (different pups etc.). It's not an FSR American Standard for the same reason.

The problem with accepting your reasoning is that it will eventually be applied to the resale of such guitars. While it is unlikely that the actual "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" will experience any value inflation in the near term, people buying a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster" should be able to be assured that they actually buying an actual Fender "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster."

This designation is not open to subjective interpretation as to what constitutes a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." Only Telecasters that Fender has designated as "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" are actual "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters."

You argue that "if I bought an "official" 60th Anniversary guitar and stripped the white paint off and then refinished it to be a sunburst, is it still a 60th Anniversary guitar?" You are correct it would be. That is because the guitar was "ORIGINALLY" a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." But the designation would have little value, if any, unless 60 years from now, someone restored the guitar to its original condition. Then the designation could possibly retain some value.

BTW, from everything that I have seen, both American Standard Telecasters and "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" use "American Standard Tele® Single-Coil Pickups" (except for "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecasters" that use humbucklers).

Your FSR Telecaster is an American Standard Telecaster. But regardless of the type of pickups, the type of wood, or any other factor, it is not a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." This is not semantics.

A "Chevelle Malibu" that has the "Malibu" emblems removed and has "SS" emblems applied, is not a "Chevelle SS," even if it has all of the SS equipment options, because it was not originally designated as a "Chevelle SS" by Chevrolet Motor Division. The same is true with your guitar. This is not semantics. This "original designation" generally affects the value of the Chevelle, and it is fraudulent to sell a "Chevelle Malibu" as a "Chevelle SS."

But I do think that you bought a great guitar with lovely ash grain and a very nice finish. I'm particularly fond of ash guitars and own a couple with burst finishes myself. But I would discourage you from telling people that it is a "60th Anniversary Limited Edition Telecaster." Good luck with your Tele.
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