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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:03 pm
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hey dude!!! how did you drill the holes?
...sorry forgot to say lol the pickguard holes?

I just lined the pickguard up with the neck of the guitar and taped the pickguard down to the body with masking tape so that it would not move from its proper location. I then drilled the holes with a very small 1/16" drill bit, centered in the holes of the pickguard.

The larger diameter pickguard screws, which are self tapping wood screws, can then be screwed into the smaller diameter 1/16" holes, without fear of the screw angling to the side, or not having enough wood to secure the screw threads, from a hole that is too large.

This was done prior to marking the control plate cutout onto the custom, uncut pickguard, so that I would know the exact placement of the control plate cutout. Sorry that I forgot to document this stage of the assembly!!


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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:19 pm
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ralfcaetano wrote:
hey dude!!! how did you drill the holes?
...sorry forgot to say lol the pickguard holes?

I just lined the pickguard up with the neck of the guitar and taped the pickguard down to the body with masking tape so that it would not move from its proper location. I then drilled the holes with a very small 1/16" drill bit, centered in the holes of the pickguard.

The larger diameter pickguard screws, which are self tapping wood screws, can then be screwed into the smaller diameter 1/16" holes, without fear of the screw angling to the side, or not having enough wood to secure the screw threads, from a hole that is too large.

This was done prior to marking the control plate cutout onto the custom, uncut pickguard, so that I would know the exact placement of the control plate cutout. Sorry that I forgot to document this stage of the assembly!!


it's alright it was just for curiosity since i'm working on a guitar too... though i have heard of the risks of paint chipping and i wanted to see if you did anything to prevent it... i'm gonna drill holes to make a strat with an 8 hole pickguard one with an 11 hole pickguard... do you consider the risk of paint chipping a small one?


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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:27 pm
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ralfcaetano wrote:
...i have heard of the risks of paint chipping and i wanted to see if you did anything to prevent it... i'm gonna drill holes to make a strat with an 8 hole pickguard one with an 11 hole pickguard... do you consider the risk of paint chipping a small one?

If you are using a urethane coated body such as the Mighty Mite bodies have, the finish is brittle and drilling does pose a chipping problem. If you use a small 1/16" diameter drill bit to drill pilot holes for the pickguard screws, there should be little possibility for the finish to chip out and any chipping that does actually occur should be covered by the pickguard.

Here is a picture that shows the six larger pre-drilled Mighty Mite body string holes and the three smaller holes that are approximately 1/8" diameter, that I drilled for the bridge. I wasn't really concerned with the finish chipping, as I figured that any chipping would be covered by the bridge plate.

As you can see, chipping occurred with a fairly small drill bit around the three smaller 1/8" holes for the bridge.

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It's possible that for any larger hole, if you drill a very small pilot hole, beginning with a 1/16" hole, and then use a counter sink bit at a very slow speed, with very light pressure, that you could countersink holes without chipping, then drill a larger hole, counter sink again, and then drill a larger hole if necessary.
I never actually tried this approach.

I considered using a countersink bit on the string holes which needed to be enlarged to accept the string ferrules.
But instead, I chose to use a smaller 1/4 inch bit placed inside the hole at an angle and carefully expanded the hole with a VERY, VERY slow drill speed, certainly not more than 50 rpm, while carefully touching the side of the drill on the edges of the hole.

Of course this would only work when a larger hole is already drilled through the body and the finish.
Otherwise, I would consider trying a countersink bit for any hole larger than 1/16", where I was worried about chipping in an exposed area, and graduate to larger drill bits in a very progressive manner, countersinking after every sucessive drilling at a very slow drill speed with very light pressure.

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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:11 pm
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Mike, thanks for sending me the link to your build. An amazing spread,the photos and details are excellent and may help those of us who wish to pursue the effort some day . I am very intrigued by the top loader bridge. It's so sci-fi in its simplicity and efficiency. It's very cool! Do you have the desire to build another?


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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:48 pm
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I built an Ash with flame maple top tele M M Cherry burst 1 piece body with maple V neck bone nut - gotoh tuners- vintage bridge- it looks like yours quite a bit-- It sounds very nice- better than the Tele I sold after I built the Flamecaster. My build is a 2005.

Did you make the bridge pick up route bigger so you could intonate the guitar properly? The bridge PU hole was "off" or different than a Fender on mine. If you look at my bridge the saddles are about as far back as they can go. There is just barely enough room to put them back far enough to get it set right. The thru body string holes have just enough room for the strings to go thru. I had to mod the route just to get it close enough for everything to work. It was tricky. I was wondering why the route is different on a MM body compared to a Fender. Any info on that?

On the chipping paint- I usually tape over where I'm going to drill and that usually does the job of keeping the finish from chipping- starter holes are a must.


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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:27 pm
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dan invisible wrote:
Mike, thanks for sending me the link to your build. An amazing spread,the photos and details are excellent and may help those of us who wish to pursue the effort some day . I am very intrigued by the top loader bridge. It's so sci-fi in its simplicity and efficiency. It's very cool! Do you have the desire to build another?

Hi Dan,
I always liked the look of the '83-'84 bridge, which was on my first Tele that I got in '83 when the rumour was that Fender was going to move all production to Japan. There were relatively low production numbers during those 2 years which was the end of the "Smith Era" and the end of the Fender Fullerton plant. That is why you don't see very many guitars with that bridge.

I recently bought the Custom Shop bridge below that was on eBay for a possible future build.
As you can see, I'm a "modern" Tele guy, but I appear to be out numbered by the "vintage" guys on this site.

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Here's the '83-'84 Bridge for comparison. I'm still partial to the '83-'84 bridge.
But I do like the curved lip on the end of the Custom Shop Bridge plate.

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If that orange ash Telecaster body from that parted out Tele we discussed a little while ago on TDPRI, wasn't priced in the "Stratosphere" ($900)...... But I'd have to use a Toploader bridge on that one. Then I could pretend I'm "Twangy."

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Later and greater, Dan

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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:46 pm
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stroker vance wrote:
I built an Ash with flame maple top tele M M Cherry burst 1 piece body with maple V neck bone nut - gotoh tuners- vintage bridge- it looks like yours quite a bit-- It sounds very nice- better than the Tele I sold after I built the Flamecaster. My build is a 2005.

Hi Vance,
If you tried to post a picture of your "Flamecaster" it's not showing up.
How about posting a picture, I'd love to check it out!
Upload your picture to photobucket and post the "IMG Code."

stroker vance wrote:
Did you make the bridge pick up route bigger so you could intonate the guitar properly? The bridge PU hole was "off" or different than a Fender on mine. If you look at my bridge the saddles are about as far back as they can go. There is just barely enough room to put them back far enough to get it set right. The thru body string holes have just enough room for the strings to go thru. I had to mod the route just to get it close enough for everything to work. It was tricky.

The bridge pickup routing on mine was fine for proper positioning of the bridge, for a proper intonation adjustment.
I was able to measure my actual '83 Tele from the bottom of the nut to the end of the bridge plate, so I knew where the exact placement should be.
The bridge pickup routing position was right on the money.
I just needed to make it deeper to accept the height of the pickup.
I don't know if the string holes were placed correctly (I believe they probably were OK), as I used a toploader bridge.

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I was wondering why the route is different on a MM body compared to a Fender. Any info on that?

It's definitely a error in routing the control pocket by the Mighty Mite factory, which I believe is in Korea. Having corresponded with the seller, ebay Discount-Guitar-Outlet, he appeared to know about this problem and was willing to accept a return within the 7 days after sale that he offered. So there are definitely more Might Mite bodies with this problem. The seller stated that they have used a dremel grinder to enlarge the pickguard cut out. But this would necessarily leave a 1/16" gap between the pickguard and the control plate, which I didn't want. I was initially going to return the guitar body, which I really didn't want to do because I liked the finish and the wood grain, and I knew that I'd end up spending more money. Fortunately, I located pickguard.com (WD Music), who was able to supply a pickguard without the cutout for a $10 up charge, which I cut with the hole saw. This is the way to go with these bodies, which otherwise, are a very good deal.

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On the chipping paint- I usually tape over where I'm going to drill and that usually does the job of keeping the finish from chipping- starter holes are a must.

I'm not sure that just taping would work with the brittle urethane that is on these guitars, which is a very nice looking finish. Fortunately, the strap button holes were pre-drilled, so that there were no holes that I needed to drill that would be exposed. The only concern was the string holes which were too small to accept standard Fender ferrules, which worked out, using the method I described above to enlarge the holes.

Mike


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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:29 pm
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Looks pretty good for an assembly of parts made by other people.

You didn't build it,you put it together.

Right on Mick Jagger. I like some of those songs you've written.

Awesome.

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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:58 pm
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DHD wrote:
Looks pretty good for an assembly of parts made by other people.
You didn't build it,you put it together.
Right on Mick Jagger. I like some of those songs you've written.
Awesome.

Since you are apparently a "luthier" DHD, which I have made no claim to being, perhaps you could grace us with one of your creations.
Otherwise, you should find a nice dark place in your Hershey Highway to store your Telecaster and "Let it Bleed."

SIUYA,MF!! :twisted:


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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:25 am
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Poor ole Mick. He done got butthurt. Bummer.

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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:25 am
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Poor ole Mick. He done got butthurt. Bummer.

You are a complete loser, and a "legend" only in your own delusional mind.
Get lost AH!!!


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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:58 am
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Awww.....c'mon Mick. I saw you when y'all came to the States on the Beggars Banquet tour. You were a good dude then.....but you've changed man. You remember that night in Philly when that kid sold us those fake quaaludes? It was fun when Charlie and Bill held that guy down and you me burned his face with Zippo lighters.

You got rich,started assembling guitars and posting waaaaaaay too many pictures about what an 8 year old kid can do on the internet. I miss the good times Mick. I really do.

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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:10 am
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It seems the Mitey Mite bodies are just a tad off and it also seems like it may be on purpose. Could it be the 10% rule ?-- that's kind of the Urban Legend thing that I've heard about since I was a teenager. If you change something 10% it's okay to copy it. And to further the deal - Fender tells MM they have to change the bodies a certain percentage and then it's okay to copy them (liscenced). I hope someone blows me out of the water on that. I've never believed that 100% anyway. I'm not into conspiracy theories unless something just reaches out and smacks me in the face! HA!

My neck pocket fit was so tight and straight that I was afraid that I'd crack the thin lip of the pocket when I put it in. I put wax on the heel so it would slide in better. I used wax on all the screws,ferrules, etc- anything I was pushing into wood.

I really like the tuners you used. A friend of mine has a Tele that came with those. It's old.

I put Antiquities in my guitar. They sound very nice. I think some Antiquities don't sound so good and others kick. Also the strings come up thru the body and do pretty much a 90 degree turn up over the saddles. Talk about the break angle over the saddles-- this is the King of that!! I just love mine and could never part with it ( of course I say that now). I would hope I'd never have to get rid of it.

I would like to post pics. You would like my Flamecaster. It looks like a relative of your Tele 83. However to be honest, I do not have a credit card. Never have had one except for a gas card back in the 80's. Guess what? I have never had any credit card problems either! So I'm not on the photobucket thing. I haven't found a free site etc, etc, excuses,excuses I know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I built a Strat too (ash body) -- when ya' gonna' do one of those??????


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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:04 am
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Photobucket is free. No CC required...

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Post subject: Re: Complete Telecaster Build Pictorial
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:11 am
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Yeah- I thought is was free. I went there and saw that certain advertising companies are paying the 25 bucks for the service but the first thought that came to me was about the tons of pop up and spams I would be getting. Now I may be wrong about that but it seemed like it to me. Why else would they pay for it if they weren't going to bombard me with junk emails and pop up offers? I didn't go for it. I think I just don't have enough info about the photobucket deal. And without the credit card and Paypal I usually don't participate much in things on the web. It's great to post pics. I guess I'm going to end up doing it .
No biggy though. I guess I have an old persons attitude about all things "technology". I know my son thinks that. I may be getting up there but I still Rock my $@! off in a Heavy Metal band. I tell him that to, then he doesn't say much. Ha! I think he wishes he could rock out too!!!!

I actually still use a map.


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