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Post subject: Nocaster/telecaster?whats the dif?
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:50 am
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what is the diference between a Nocaster and a telecaster?

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Post subject: Re: Nocaster/telecaster?whats the dif?
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:38 am
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Wise-ass answer: two letters :lol:

Serious Answer - with a bit of Fender history:

Leo Fender's first two production guitars in 1950 were the "Esquire" and the "Broadcaster" - they had the same body shape, neck shape, etc. but the Esquire had 1 pickup (bridge position) and the Broadcaster had 2 pickups (neck and bridge position).

However, there was a problem with Leo's name of "Broadcaster" - the Gretsch company was already marketing a line of drums called the "Broadkaster" series, and Gretsch being the larger, more established company had their attorneys send the upstart Fender company a "cease and desist" letter regarding the name in early 1951. Leo Fender, being ever frugal, just took all the headstock decals he had for the "Broadcaster" and snipped off the "Broadcaster" part. These guitars, which just have the "Fender" decal on the headstock, are known as "Nocasters" since they don't have a model name. Leo came up with the "Telecaster" name in late 1951 but this time made sure no one else was using that name on a musical instrument, and also used up those blank decals before starting to use the "Fender Telecaster" headstock decals.

All these versions used the "Vintage" wiring of a 3-way, volume, and tone control with these positions:

Position 1: Bridge pickup with tone control

Position 2: Neck pickup with the tone control

Position 3: Neck pickup with a treble roll-off capacitor

Functionally the recent Fender CS "Nocasters" have very large necks; typically they have very little taper and could go anywhere from .950" to .990" a the first fret and about 1.00" at the 12th fret. The AV '52 Teles have more reasonable necks; more like .850" or .860" at the first and .950" at the 12th fret.

Oh, and probably more than you wanted to know but I believe "modern" wiring starts on Teles in 1966 (but it could be 1967 - I know the old CS '67 Time Maching Teles had modern wiring stock); modern wiring is:

Position 1: Bridge pickup with tone control

Position 2: Both pickups with the tone control

Position 3: Neck with the tone control


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Post subject: Re: Nocaster/telecaster?whats the dif?
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:06 pm
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John C wrote:
Wise-ass answer: two letters :lol:

Serious Answer - with a bit of Fender history:

Leo Fender's first two production guitars in 1950 were the "Esquire" and the "Broadcaster" - they had the same body shape, neck shape, etc. but the Esquire had 1 pickup (bridge position) and the Broadcaster had 2 pickups (neck and bridge position).

However, there was a problem with Leo's name of "Broadcaster" - the Gretsch company was already marketing a line of drums called the "Broadkaster" series, and Gretsch being the larger, more established company had their attorneys send the upstart Fender company a "cease and desist" letter regarding the name in early 1951. Leo Fender, being ever frugal, just took all the headstock decals he had for the "Broadcaster" and snipped off the "Broadcaster" part. These guitars, which just have the "Fender" decal on the headstock, are known as "Nocasters" since they don't have a model name. Leo came up with the "Telecaster" name in late 1951 but this time made sure no one else was using that name on a musical instrument, and also used up those blank decals before starting to use the "Fender Telecaster" headstock decals.

All these versions used the "Vintage" wiring of a 3-way, volume, and tone control with these positions:

Position 1: Bridge pickup with tone control

Position 2: Neck pickup with the tone control

Position 3: Neck pickup with a treble roll-off capacitor

Functionally the recent Fender CS "Nocasters" have very large necks; typically they have very little taper and could go anywhere from .950" to .990" a the first fret and about 1.00" at the 12th fret. The AV '52 Teles have more reasonable necks; more like .850" or .860" at the first and .950" at the 12th fret.

Oh, and probably more than you wanted to know but I believe "modern" wiring starts on Teles in 1966 (but it could be 1967 - I know the old CS '67 Time Maching Teles had modern wiring stock); modern wiring is:

Position 1: Bridge pickup with tone control

Position 2: Both pickups with the tone control

Position 3: Neck with the tone control


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Post subject: Re: Nocaster/telecaster?whats the dif?
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:37 pm
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Another bit of "Broadcaster" trivia - decades later, when G&L came out with their Tele-shaped guitar, they decided to name it the "Broadcaster" since at that particular time (1985) Gretsch was dormant. However, the Gretsch family had bought back the rights to their name (and all the product names) and was getting ready to start guitar production again (but not drums), so they sent a "cease and desist" letter to Leo at G&L; G&L renamed the guitar the ASAT.

Another bit of G&L trivia - Leo didn't want to revisit his old designs so it was Dale Hyatt (head of G&L Sales) who basically designed their "Broadcaster"/ASAT


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Post subject: Re: Nocaster/telecaster?whats the dif?
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:40 pm
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John C wrote:
Another bit of "Broadcaster" trivia - decades later, when G&L came out with their Tele-shaped guitar, they decided to name it the "Broadcaster" since at that particular time (1985) Gretsch was dormant. However, the Gretsch family had bought back the rights to their name (and all the product names) and was getting ready to start guitar production again (but not drums), so they sent a "cease and desist" letter to Leo at G&L; G&L renamed the guitar the ASAT.

Another bit of G&L trivia - Leo didn't want to revisit his old designs so it was Dale Hyatt (head of G&L Sales) who basically designed their "Broadcaster"/ASAT

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Post subject: Re: Nocaster/telecaster?whats the dif?
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:14 pm
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super kid wrote:
what is the diference between a Nocaster and a telecaster?


the caster. one has one and the other doesnt.
sorry kid i had to. :P but john has already filled you in. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Nocaster/telecaster?whats the dif?
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:59 am
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JohnC ya done good!

I have always felt that it is so important to nurture young people. Who knows, perhaps super kid will become the next Bonamassa or John5 or he will just keep playing for fun... the rest of his days.

Either way you helped.

This is a great example of why I enjoy this site.
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