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Post subject: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:22 pm
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I was just wondering, does a lot of the Tele tone come from the metal ashtray, or is it other attributes, wood, pickups, etc? To me the ashtray has a lot to do with the "Tele twang" and gives it its characteristic tone. The sound of the neck pickup of a 72 Tele custom and deluxe are a little different, even though they are both widerange humbuckers, gotta be the ashtray?


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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:18 pm
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i dont think it adds that much by way of tone, most people took it off immediately when they got the guitar, after all it is called an "ashtray" for a reason.

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:19 pm
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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:09 pm
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Mostly the pickups, thats what lots of people say.

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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:30 pm
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I dont mean the ashtray cover thing, yea, I know everyone takes those off. I meant the metal enclosure that the bridge pickup is on and the whole bridge system itself. Theoretically, how much different is a tele from a strat if they both have hardtail strat style bridges. To me, the tremelo system of a strat contributes to its town as does the tele bridge.


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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:15 am
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I dont mean the ashtray cover thing, yea, I know everyone takes those off. I meant the metal enclosure that the bridge pickup is on and the whole bridge system itself. Theoretically, how much different is a tele from a strat if they both have hardtail strat style bridges. To me, the tremelo system of a strat contributes to its town as does the tele bridge.


The Andy Summer tele has a brass bridge and it sounds different from the regular steel bridge. Another kind of ringing.

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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:37 am
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I would say that the material the bridge is made of, and the mass of said bridge, is going to affect the tone, but I don't think there will be much difference, if any at all if the new bridge is the same material. For instance, I have heard it said that Tele's with the vintage bridges (which have 'walls' on 3 sides) are brighter than the new six saddles, which are a flat plate that only bends up on the rear side. But I am highly skeptical that the difference is anything negligible.

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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:42 am
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You're really asking two questions:

Does a telecaster remain so without the ashtray bridge, and does the bridge effect the sound.

My answer would be, the sound of every guitar comes from the sum of its parts, including the performer.

There are those who would answer the first part of your question with a resounding "No". These are the purest, the idolater, who can only accept the Telecaster as how you described, with the ashtray bridge. However, one of the greatest things about this particular guitar is the amazing amount of aftermarket mods, benders etc. plus active electronics that can be stuffed inside.

Even without modifications, the type of wood the guitar is made of, including the fingerboard will effect the tone. The maple finger board will sound a bit more brittle than the rosewood. It really depends on what you're trying to reproduce. Swamp Ash and Alder sound totally different.

For example, someone here mentioned Andy Summers' tele. His was routed in the back like a Les Paul so a switchable preamp could be installed. His also included a Les Paul pickup by the neck and a brass bridge. You could apply the same question to his guitar concerning these particular modification and the answer would still be "yes", it is still a telecaster.


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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:12 am
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Leave the "Ashtray" on and play slide. Now that's a sweet sound.


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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:39 pm
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i've got the "ashtray" on mine. when its off it sounds less metallic, or edgy. very very slightly though, I love it.


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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:02 am
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Not all Tele`s come with a bridge cover and they sound good too. I think their very versatile guitars being able to go from a warm tone to the Tele twang their noted for.

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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:54 am
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The "ashtray" affects the magnetic field of the bridge pickup thus creating eddy currents which do in fact affect the tonality of the pickup. The metallic composition of the "ashtray" also factors into the equation too. However and as has been stated, there is a vastness in perception among the vastness of players as to what any given person perceives as the true, definitive Tele tonality; "ashtray" not withstanding.

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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:18 am
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As a relative newbie to Teles is it not more the plate under the bridge pickup that changes the sound? Or am I talking out a hole in my head? :oops:

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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:24 am
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pappawookee wrote:
As a relative newbie to Teles is it not more the plate under the bridge pickup that changes the sound? Or am I talking out a hole in my head? :oops:


It is equally part of the equation.

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Post subject: Re: is it still a Tele without an ashtray?
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:43 pm
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Martian wrote:
The "ashtray" affects the magnetic field of the bridge pickup thus creating eddy currents which do in fact affect the tonality of the pickup. The metallic composition of the "ashtray" also factors into the equation too. However and as has been stated, there is a vastness in perception among the vastness of players as to what any given person perceives as the true, definitive Tele tonality; "ashtray" not withstanding.


well said!!!


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