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Post subject: bridge saddles
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:17 am
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hi guys bit new to this. i have just got a mexican 1994 vintage telecaster its the best guitar i have ever played but one of the string saddle nuts have jamed and i can't seem to move it any ideas? i am thinking of changing the intonation nuts and saddles wht would any one recomend or stay away from. looking forward to hearing from you. chuck :D


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Post subject: Re: bridge saddles
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:20 pm
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Avoid any expensive "Vintage" replacement saddles that are marketed to improve tone. Most are hyped up and wll cost a lot. There are a lot of aftermarket options such as going from 6 saddle to 3 barrel, brass to steel, compensated varieties, and so on. The type of saddle you choose should correspond to the type of sound you seek. This can be difficult with the myrid of choices available.

Good luck.


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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:45 am
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Many thanks i am trying to keep to as near to original as possible it plays fine intonation could be better. but being a novice not sure how percise intonation can be
it has six saddles i have been told that the better screws have a finer thead?
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:52 pm
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Chuck, Gotta ask, did you try to free up the jamed nut? Perhaps if you removed it from the guitar and used a little penetrating oil (let it soak a little) it can be freed up. Certainly the most economical approach. Many real guitar stores who do repair work will have extra parts on hand to sell if this fails. Just a thought.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:05 pm
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I suggest you look into some string-saver saddles. They have a small bit of graphite where the strings comes across and can prevent breakage and extend string life. As far as the screws go, I don't think there'd be any benefit to finer threads. The six saddle bridges can be intonated very precisely. If it's not intonated now due to the jammed saddle, it will sound much better once your are able to set the intontion.

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Post subject: Re: bridge saddles
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:46 am
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Hi Cambo
yes i have tried the penetrating oil i think it has been tightned right to the limit and jamed.
but i will take to my local guitar shop to se what they might surgest many thanks
chuck


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Post subject: Re: bridge saddles
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:51 am
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hi tim
string-saver saddles. can't say i have heard of them might be worth a look ta.
so i should be abe to get precise intonation with the six screw saddles one question i have heard that it shod be checked on various frets, so far i only check on the 12th is this ok?


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Post subject: Re: bridge saddles
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:15 pm
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Chuck,

I recently bought my first Tele and had to learn how to do some intonation inprovements. It was way off. (Bought new too) I would suggest you get a copy of the Fender Telecaster Handbook by Paul Balmer. It provides a great education on the various aspects of the guitar. Regarding intonation there is a tech tip that says it is worth checking intonation at the 19th fret of the first string (B) against the open B string. This applies equally to the 20th fret on B string against the open G and similiar checks on other 19th frets for all other strings. This is after setting the 12th fret that you have done.
I'm sure everyone has their own approach. Check out the book.
Have fun :D


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Post subject: Re: bridge saddles
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:23 am
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thanks again cambo i will look up the book at the library i wonderd if the strings should be set a other frets.

and thanks guys to all who have helped i will be picking your brains again sson i'm sure
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:21 pm
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Cambo wrote:
I the Fender Telecaster Handbook by Paul Balmer. Regarding intonation there is a tech tip that says it is worth checking intonation at the 19th fret of the first string (B) against the open B string. This applies equally to the 20th fret on B string against the open G and similar checks on other 19th frets for all other strings. This is after setting the 12th fret that you have done.

Is this tip discussing adjusting intonation on a 3 barrel bridge?
It doesn't make any sense to me on a six saddle bridge.

The intonation will always vary slightly, becoming slightly more sharp (441-442) as you proceed toward the nut, away from the 12th fret, particularly on larger strings, let's say at the second fret. This is related to the curvature of the frets, the distance of which is slightly compounded, when moving up the neck from the 12th fret, varying the intonation slightly at the top of the neck, even when intonation is correctly adjusted using a six saddle bridge at the 12th fret. This is basically imperceptible.

But I cannot imagine there being any reason for checking intonation at the 19th fret of the first string (B) against the open B string, the 20th fret on B string against the open G and the 19th fret for all other strings. There should be no variation in intonation between the 12th fret and the 19th/20th fret because the distance to the bridge is much shorter and therefore the does not develop a noticeable variance as do strings played at the second fret.

For a six saddle bridge, I believe that there is no need to check intonation anywhere other than the 12th fret. For 3 barrel non-compensated bridges, it may makes sense to check the intonation at various locations, as the 12th fret settings will always be a compromise.


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Post subject: Re: bridge saddles
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:51 am
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Hi Mick
Many thanks as i have now discoverd there are many schools of thought on this i will still check out this book as i may be good reading
thanks again to everyone
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chuck


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Post subject: Re: bridge saddles
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:01 am
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hi again guys
just as a matter of chance there is an artical in this months Total Guitar magazine Eds shed
this talks about three saddle intonation on a telecaster with advce on changing the bridge (don't think i need to be that drastic) but if you can get hold of a copy you might find it interesting
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Post subject: Re: bridge saddles
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:50 am
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If the screw is stuck, cut it with a side cutter

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Then put the saddle in a vice and unscrew the remains of the screw with small self-grip or hold the bit of screw in the vice and unscrew the saddle from it.

Fit a new screw with some oil. make sure it turns freely before fitting to your guitar.

If you can't get the bit of screw out of the saddle, replace the single saddle and screw, with new or used, rather than replace the entire bridge.


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Post subject: Re: bridge saddles
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:17 pm
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Mick,

All of my comments have related to the 3 saddle bridge. I didn't even think of it when I bought my Baja but after checking the intonation I figured that I better get involved. There are a lot of people that favor the three saddle bridge as the "original" Tele sound so I am going to deal with it rather than go to a 6 saddle arrangement. Don't think it will be a big problem after I play with it a while.


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Post subject: Re: bridge saddles
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:24 am
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Hi All, think i have it sorted been to London and visited Denmark street (wall to Wall guitar shops) met a tech guy there and he sold me the parts i needed (very reasonably)so now to fit to guitar many thanks all again
Chuck


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