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Post subject: Re: Problems with strings moving on vintage saddles
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:16 am
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yeah but..thats why you buy a tele with a vintage bridge with string grooves so they dont move ..the barrells do..you saying Leo didn't know what he was doing?

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Post subject: Re: Problems with strings moving on vintage saddles
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:31 am
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By all means Leo was a great engineer and many people still believe that a good part of the Tele tone comes from the vintage bridge. But that doesn't mean that the bridge is perfect. I guess there always will be an argument of how much tone you sacrifice by making an "improvement" to the components. My personal prerogatives are tuning stability and intonation. If they can be improved without sacrificing too much tone (depending what too much means), then many people would be in favour.

But Fender is a shrewd marketing organisation - they give you both options - vintage and modern. It's down to us users to choose whichever we believe suits us...

Personally, I am considering the Baja because its inexpensive, has the S1 and generally sounds good, but the vintage bridge is a concern from a practical perspective. I have heard of irregular string spacing, intonation and other problems. I will have to play it and see if it bothers me...


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Post subject: Re: Problems with strings moving on vintage saddles
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:50 am
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tremolo arm wrote:
By all means Leo was a great engineer and many people still believe that a good part of the Tele tone comes from the vintage bridge. But that doesn't mean that the bridge is perfect. I guess there always will be an argument of how much tone you sacrifice by making an "improvement" to the components. My personal prerogatives are tuning stability and intonation. If they can be improved without sacrificing too much tone (depending what too much means), then many people would be in favour.

But Fender is a shrewd marketing organisation - they give you both options - vintage and modern. It's down to us users to choose whichever we believe suits us...

Personally, I am considering the Baja because its inexpensive, has the S1 and generally sounds good, but the vintage bridge is a concern from a practical perspective. I have heard of irregular string spacing, intonation and other problems. I will have to play it and see if it bothers me...

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Post subject: Re: Problems with strings moving on vintage saddles
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:54 am
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I slap the crap out of my tele strings and I dont recall ever having a string slip out of the saddle groove.


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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:40 am
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I've played my standard 3 piece Tele bridge for years without any string or bridge piece movement. With two strings on each piece, there's a lot of downward pressure holding things in place. As far as intonation goes, I use the "Jerry Donohue" method to set up my bridge. It may not work for everyone, but it works for me. If you already have the 3 piece bridge it doesn't cost any thing to try it. On the tone end of things, there are a lot of world class Tele players out there that use a 6 piece bridge, Brent Mason comes to mind. If you had two Tele's with the same setup, only difference being 3 and 6 piece bridges, blind tested with the same outboard gear, amp, ect. It may be hard to tell the difference. This is an old debate and it all comes down to using what you need to use to make YOU happy. Because if your not happy your fans won't be happy. A few years back I bought a 6 piece bridge, it's still screwed to the front of my Stratocaster. Good luck in your journey!


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Post subject: Re: Problems with strings moving on vintage saddles
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:15 am
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jaknzax wrote:
yeah but..thats why you buy a tele with a vintage bridge with string grooves so they dont move ..the barrells do..you saying Leo didn't know what he was doing?


Perhaps you need to learn to not be so reactionary. Did you look at the statement in context. Or just focus on the bit that offended you the most?

I'm sorry to say that neither 3 saddle design is perfect or even good, is off. A bridge that can't enable a guitar to play intune is bad design. Oh and grooved saddles don't sound like brass saddles.
It's a non functioning design. Thats why Fender now make a six saddle telecaster bridge. Ok it doesn't sound the same, but out-performs the three saddle bridge in every other respect. And lets face it, if you're out of tune, you sound bad to a good ear.
Why did CBS feel the need to do that?
Why Leo Fender after the legendary design work of the Stratocaster tremolo system, a mere four years after the esquire bridge design, not see fit to ammend the Esquire/Telecaster bridge?

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Post subject: Re: Problems with strings moving on vintage saddles
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:30 pm
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Leo had a pretty good ambassador for his new guitar with three bridge pieces, the Broadcaster. His name was Jimmy Bryant. I also believe he played Broadcaster #1. He played chords and leadlines over the entire neck without any offensive intonation problems. Jerry Donohue doesn't sound as if he has any intonation concerns. The six piece bridge probably works for a greater percentage of people. I'm in a good percentage because they both work for me, yahoo! I think we can all agree that one's not better than the other, they're just different. My Tele's are going to remain 3 piece and my Strat is going remain 6 piece. I'm going to play the crap out of both of them. Keep your head down and the volume up!!


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Post subject: Re: Problems with strings moving on vintage saddles
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:32 pm
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Just saw a pic of an American Standard anniversary and they come with 6 saddles.

http://www.fender.com/products/search.p ... 0110500700

You original post said you were looking for something that you wouldn't have to upgrade, well the "Standard" appears to be standard enough for you that it requires no mods.

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