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Post subject: A end to intonation woes while maintaining a good sound.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:05 am
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Down the local shop earlier, that just started selling G&L. Well the tele's are divine.
Why can't Fender make this

http://www.glguitars.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=225

Now I gotta butcher my tele just to intonate it.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:11 pm
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That is nice! About time someone thought of that! Or has it been around for a while with the G&L ? Showing my ignorance... :oops:

Not a modern bridge fan Nik?
Have to admit, the classic bridge always seemed strange to me that you had to compromise between 2 strings. Though I've never owned one and so can't really say if it's as big a pain in the butt as I assume it to be.

Or..and I just thought of it...are looking for a reason to buy a G&L?? :wink:

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:22 pm
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I've got that one on my G & L ASAT Bluesboy and it really makes for an easy setup.

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Post subject: Re: A end to intonation woes while maintaining a good sound.
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:10 am
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How would you say it impacts the tonality of the guitar?
I've long been a firm believer in the Tele's tone being due to the bridge section.

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Yeah the modern bridge just don't do it for me. I want side walls to bash my fingers on, and plenty of brass thunk. However I can't deal with the intonation issues either. The modern bridge is 100% better, I just can't get to like it though shallow as I am.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:47 am
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Fwiw Nik...got the new StewMac catalog in the mail yesterday and saw this:
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_ta ... _Tele.html

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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:10 am
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My Hwy 1 had those side walls on the bridge and they seemed to get in my way. I have a Tele Deluxe now and that does not have them and I can do volume swells easier. Maybe its just me but I like this bridge better.

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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:53 am
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The traditional bridge didn't seem to slow down many great Tele players.

BTW Fender does offer that style of bridge, only $30 cheaper
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Tele ... 1130091.gc

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Post subject: Re: A end to intonation woes while maintaining a good sound.
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:51 pm
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Yeah but theres only G&L doing brass saddles. Them chrome/steel things just don't look right to me.

As for not slowing many famous players down, well theres plenty that bemoan the state of affairs too. Infact Jerry Donahue went/goes through a whole rigmarol of tuning sharp, with flat intonation to get the thing to play right.
Details used to be up on his myspace page, dunno if they still are. I tried it, not good enough for my ears I'm afraid.
The traditional bridge doesn't slow me down at all. Infact it's a requirement. I just want the guitar intune to a acceptable degree.

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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:51 pm
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What about these. They work great on my Natural Tele. You get to adjust the amount of compensation to get perfect intonation.

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_ta ... _Tele.html

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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:45 pm
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Yeah them old Trev Wilkinson saddles that don't seem to be available anywhere (he must have sold his soul to Erlewine).

Kong how did you find them, I found em fiddly. Send the high E forward check the B, bring the high E back, adjust, check the B again....
And all that. Constantly trying to find the best position for both strings. Like so many of Trev's designs, utterly attainable, but complex too. He came out with the fixed position staggered saddles not long after that setup. Obviously based on experience. I use em and like em, their nearly there, with my compensated tele nut. I've got em about as near as any guitar is going to be on the 1st 4 frets. Not quite perfect enough when you get up the board though.

I just want 6 brass saddles. I don't even think it would sound exactly right for a tele. Just closer than the current 6 saddle bridges do.

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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:48 am
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Callaham has been offering brass saddles for some time, for the three saddle setup. Regular traditional vintage style brass saddles, and the slant compensated brass saddles for better intonation than the traditional ones while maintaining the three-saddle look. The slant compensated come in different styles and materials, both brass and stainless steel :idea:

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Post subject: Re: A end to intonation woes while maintaining a good sound.
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:32 am
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The problem with slant compensated saddles is that they are only a approximation. Better than straight brass saddles, but nowhere near right.
Trev Wilkinson first designed em when people found the adjustable 3 saddle system too finicky.
Theres only one answer to it, the G&L ASAT classic bridge.

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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:56 pm
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nikininja wrote:
Yeah them old Trev Wilkinson saddles that don't seem to be available anywhere (he must have sold his soul to Erlewine).

Kong how did you find them, I found em fiddly. Send the high E forward check the B, bring the high E back, adjust, check the B again....
And all that. Constantly trying to find the best position for both strings. Like so many of Trev's designs, utterly attainable, but complex too. He came out with the fixed position staggered saddles not long after that setup. Obviously based on experience. I use em and like em, their nearly there, with my compensated tele nut. I've got em about as near as any guitar is going to be on the 1st 4 frets. Not quite perfect enough when you get up the board though.

I just want 6 brass saddles. I don't even think it would sound exactly right for a tele. Just closer than the current 6 saddle bridges do.


Nik,

I must have lucked out when I installed them. They give you a visual guide for a starting point and I maybe did 2 or 3 more adjustments until my tuner and ears said it was perfect. I tried to keep it simple with adjustments. If the high E was in tune and the B was sharp, I would just change the angle more to lengthen the B side and move the saddle back, but always making sure the E was right and then checking where the B is in relation. Once they're right, you never have to mess with them again.

I know you're a gigging musician and a tone freak, so I do think it is possible that my ears may be less sensitive than yours which might account for my ability to so quickly nail it. My tuner is not an expensive super sensitive model either. I have a built in tuner in my Spiderjam amp and one of those ones you clamp onto the headstock and both show perfect intonation for my Tele.

I'm not saying they're a better or more elegant solution than the G&L bridge, but they work for me and do sound authentic and Tele-like.

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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:46 am
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Kong, I'm not a tone hound at all. Infact I very much take a 'that will do approach'. I simply won't worry about every nuance of my guitars sound, as long as what comes from the amp is clear and bold.
You're probably right about them saddles though. Perhaps I am reading too much into them. I know Ceri is dying to try some.
I'm sold on 6 saddle bridges, but they have to be brass saddles I don't understand why Fender never did it. Perhaps it was a G&L design that they would have had to pay for, back in the day. Just got swept to one side after Fender bought G&L.

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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:27 pm
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nikininja wrote:
Kong, I'm not a tone hound at all. Infact I very much take a 'that will do approach'. I simply won't worry about every nuance of my guitars sound, as long as what comes from the amp is clear and bold.
You're probably right about them saddles though. Perhaps I am reading too much into them. I know Ceri is dying to try some.
I'm sold on 6 saddle bridges, but they have to be brass saddles I don't understand why Fender never did it. Perhaps it was a G&L design that they would have had to pay for, back in the day. Just got swept to one side after Fender bought G&L.


Nik,
Tomorrow I will scan and send you the instructions Jerry Donahue gives in the Fender Telecaster Handbook on how to intonate a 3 saddle bridge. I swear it works and you will never look back..:)
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